Senate "Biden Beats Trump" - The 2020 General Election Presidential Thread

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I think Trump hopes the pandemic will kill opposition voters. Is there any evidence of him defunding or preventing aid and testing from reaching certain states? I believe he's used it across the board.

 

I think there's no going back for them. The trajectory is set. The evolution of this path has to play out. Even in death, the cult has to stay loyal to Trump and their shared ideals. To do so would admit weakness, or failure, and their strongman supremacy-toxicity abhors that. I don't even think there's a calculated move with the pandemic, it's just about not appearing or admitting weakness - even if it kills you - in any form.

 

Predictably, after Trump and his spokespeople said he had nothing to say about Kenosha and Portland, he now has lots to say:
""That was a peaceful protest, and paint is a defensive mechanism, paint is not bullets."
Yes, this was Trump's idea of a "peaceful protest" - where the stated goal was mayhem and injuring people. And whoops, he forgot the 'bear spray', possibly because it's illegal to use on humans.
And Rittenhouse: "He was trying to get away from them, I guess, it looks like. And he fell. And then they very violently attacked him."
Yes, a man spotted murdering people was attacked by people trying to... stop him from murdering someone else. No comment on the police driving by the murderer out after curfew with a rifle and asking him if someone was injured while other people were shouting that he was a killer.

 

Meanwhile, Trump has successfully moved the campaign away from his catastrophic results and back onto the field of identity politics, on which the alt-right thrives and on which it's built all its recent successes - and not just in the USA.

 

Exclusive: Dem group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide BEFORE mail-in ballots are counted.
Whew, this is a frightening scenario! With Democrats far more likely to use mail-in ballots, some experts are warning that Trump could appear to be winning the eIection by a landslide on election day, only to see this reversed and the results then swinging to a decisive Biden win.....

 

I want to destroy the screen.

 

And yeah that will go over swell with him and his followers when more votes are counted afterwards.

 

Declaring victory before the votes are counted. Colloquially known as “Pulling a Buttigieg.”.

 

Declare victory as soon as Trump is leading in votes. Calls for Biden to concede asap. Calls for vote counting to be stopped asap. And when Dems and everyone else ignores, proceed to narrative that Dems are cheating and stealing the election. Tell civilian-soldier cult followers to hit the streets to protect America.

By the time the vote tallies are in, or if Biden pulls ahead and actually wins...it won't even matter to half the country. By that point the election results will be seen as stolen, either way.

 

And in what appears to be another campaign first, the Biden campaign is launching official Animal Crossing: New Horizons yard signs, its latest foray into online organising

 

Except he was correct. Also, this is very very different in a caucus, where (if you have a person embedded in every precinct) you basically actually know the correct answer.

 

Or perhaps this is the reason. Weird...right?

 

You really need to give up on this. He called it well before the final results. He ended up with roughly the same delegates (the delegate score differed by very little), and he got something like 6k less votes out of 36k.

^But there is no need to even argue that. The little number of delegates you get from Iowa is irrelevant anyway, for the larger picture, so whom you choose to symbolically call "winner" of the state just depends on the arbitrary metric you choose to use. Since it's just about a symbolic determination, using votes or delegate score is equally legitimate.

 

And it says something that Blake's family doesn't want to talk with the head of state unless a lawyer is on the call...

Trump might still attempt to "ambush" them if he does visit Kenosha...

 

Blake's family has also stated that they have no interest in speaking with Trump.

At this point, I'm shocked that Trump isn't visiting the murderer to give him a medal for heroic service.

 

Because we all know that 2 minutes after speaking to them (not with them, to them), he'd be gloating on Twitter about how the Blake family were total supporters of his Law & Order agenda, and think he's the best president ever-ever.

 

For those who like spending time considering all hypothetical scenarios, the NYT has just posted a decent page, where you can interactively check the results on the basis of what candidate wins what state.

For example, I just found out that Trump simply needs to win all the toss up + Florida and Michigan to win the elections. sadly, it's not such an impossible outcome.

Spoiler: link

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

Give up on what? Pete Buttigieg won the Iowa Caucus -- this isn't even a subjective decision. (popular vote in a caucus doesn't matter at all, this is why they are dumb)

My larger point was that you can do that (i.e. declare victory before the final results are announced) f you're supremely confident in your precinct captains having accurately captured the final vote tallies per precinct. That's not what Trump would do in the case of Election Day, because that's not how voting works in that case.

 

I agree with this in full.

 

It is neither subjective nor objective because it's just wrong. Bernie won both the first AND the final alignment, Pete won the initial state delegate equivalents by 0.4%, they were assigned the same number of pledged delegates, but Biden ended up winning the convention delegates. So, if it's about convention delegates, Biden won, if it's about popular vote, Bernie won. I have no idea why you choose to be so stubborn in considering the weirdest metric you could possibly think of. Not even wikipedia gives Pete the victory. You keep insisting after months, and you obsess over it every single time someone mention the event even just for a lighthearted joke.

 

That's why I am confident he will still win. Either way, suspect chaos and violence for several years.

 

I'm actually not bothered that he's pushed back against the suggestion that he's got a radical socialist agenda. He's just being honest. I know he's not a leftist. He knows he's not a leftist. He doesn't pretend he is. That's better than someone like Kamala or Pete who try to pretend they're more left wing than they are.

 

Again, you have absolutely no idea how American caucuses work because the only metric is state delegates won (which dictates other things later -- there are like two more rounds of voting, one at the state convention and then one at the national convention). This isn't abstract -- this is how it's done. Pete won 26.2%, Bernie won 26.1%, full stop.

No one is disputing that this is absolutely, positively the dumbest method possible to run an election, but this is like saying Pete tied Bernie in New Hampshire because they ended up with the same amount of pledged delegates. By the metrics used by the Democratic party to "win" a state Pete won Iowa, Bernie won New Hampshire.

The reason I take a hard line on this is because we have a President and a political party right now telling us that facts don't matter; they do. This is a fact, and constantly saying it's not a fact doesn't make it any less true.