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The Mandalorian Bo-Katan in The Mandalorian (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by BalanceOfTheForce, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 5

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  2. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Force Ghost star 5

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    A Bo-Katan series does hold promise, depending on how it's done. She's a flawed character--which could imply that, if it's done well, the series might be some kind of complex GOT-like thing where different morally dubious factions vie for the throne of Mandalore (or something). Or the series might be about the Purge of Mandalore.

    The wrong path for Disney to take, I think, would be to make yet another series that appeals to us Star Wars nerds to bitch about and that relies a lot on "lore," but I suspect that wouldn't appeal much to the general public.

    BTW, we all really like Katee Sackhoff, ever since she was in Battlestar Galactica almost two decades ago, but she hasn't exactly been a box office draw since then, has she.... so casting her in her own series could be seen as a bit of a risk.
     
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  3. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Call the spin off show, the return of Mandalore, and it won't simply be a Bo-Katan show.
     
  4. A Chorus of Disapproval

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  5. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Considering the assets they could use for a Purge of Mandalore show… *if* they actually wanted a Bo-led series, that might be the strongest idea. They already have actors for Bo, Gideon, the Armorer and Sabine, who are all active at the time, with the former two specifically confirmed to have been involved in the event, and the latter two likely at least being different timeline-specific POVs (a Rebel-focused one and a Shadow Collective Supercommando one). You’ve also got someone like Kevin McKidd who could easily slot in as Fenn Rau, and depending on how flexible the timeline was, maybe even Ray Stevenson as Gar Saxon.

    Seeing Bo’s alliance fall apart or fail, Gideon preying upon her story’s flaws to divide and conquer, how the Rebels react to Mandalore’s uprising and suppression, the Children of the Watch likely splitting off entirely from their nominal kinfolk, and Mandalore being glassed and “cursed”…

    That could be a great show to watch.

    …or, and this isn’t even speculation, just blatant wishing…

    …How a about a video game version of those events? You could even incorporate some transitions between Rebels designs/actors into it.
     
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  6. Lord-Skywalker

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    Star Wars: Bo Knows
     
  7. Bor Mullet

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    She was wonderful as Cara Thrace, but in everything else I’ve seen her in (including Mando) her range seems sorta limited. Maybe she’s not being challenged enough, though, as the parts have been pretty one note.
     
  8. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Force Ghost star 5

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    I think, apart from SW and BSG, I've only seen her in half an episode of Another Life.
     
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  9. Sproj

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    Bo Katan's Arrested Development?
     
  10. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Cool. She seems character that is rather easy to do in live-action form and Katee is cool actor.
    I hope it takes place mostly during OT or before it though, maybe even some TCW-era here and there could work easily. She seemed surprisingly young in Mandalorian so we can assume she remains pretty much unchanged the entire era what comes to her looks. But her ideals may change radically.

    Seeing her in Kenobi seems possible as well due to her close connection to Obi-Wan. In Ahsoka she is also pretty probable.
     
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  11. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think she’s highly likely for the Ahsoka series as she is the one that knows Ahsoka whereabouts in the Mandalorian and Ahsoka references her in the episode “The Jedi”; as for the Obi-Wan series I’d be pleasantly surprised.
     
  12. Verbal21

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    I wouldn't mind Bo in the Boba show just to give that show a jolt. It could definitely use one and Boba seemed to imply he has plenty of money to buy muscle. I would imagine Din is still around Bo and them and could just be a packaged deal for the show.
     
  13. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Bo Knows Beskar.
     
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  14. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Bo Katan, the great sad tale of the wrong sister who wanted to rule and failed. Satine was better.
     
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  15. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well for a while she was really successful, but it was her rule that ended terribly. She totally was partially to blame for what happened to her people. She made them honestly so soft and weak, easy target for criminals without any morals. She was of course not wrong to try and avoid war but her naive idealism created situation in which she was unable to effectively defend her world. Corruption made it's home right in her palace. Sure it was not her fault really, but she can be blamed not to take enough precautions to ensure the security of her people. Pacifism works well when there is no war. But war and violence will eventually come anyway and then pacifism is self-defeating. It is noble but pure martyrdom and unable to save anyone.
     
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  16. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Satine was in power far to soon for Mandalore, Empire would not been able to control them under Satine. And Mandalore would be better for it.
     
  17. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Mandalore would have been then destroyed under Empire anyway, even if Satine wouldn't been killed before. Just like Alderaan was. Ideological pacifism, sadly, gets you and your people easily killed in this universe where war and evil exists. Without any warriors they lack any defense against the violence.
     
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  18. Fredrik Vallestrand

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    Maybe in 20 sure, but Mandalore has great political power and neutral power so empire can't do it early in their regime like with Alderaan. So in 20 years Mandalore like Alderaan could help rebel against the empire.
     
  19. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Eh, I think there's significantly more nuance to it, and significantly more pragmatism to Satine's government than that.

    Her government and rule was capable of surviving both a nationalistic terrorist force that fully embraced bombing and assassination as tactics to try and overthrow her, and a conspiracy by the Separatists involving that terrorist group to force a confrontation with the Republic that would overthrow her, all while the Clone Wars waged and while leading an alliance of Neutral Systems. She even managed to take the personal actions necessary to prevent a plot that Palpatine expected to work, and her government was pragmatic and security-minded enough to do all of that, even while having various corrupt officials operating in her cabinet. And all that time, she managed good enough relations with the Republic and Jedi to pull them in or co-opt them as allies when need be while still staying neutral to the overall war effort.

    Her government only failed when Maul marshalled every single major underworld faction into a convoluted conspiracy with the Death Watch for a false flag operation of much greater depth and breadth than what had been tried earlier; in that scenario, Satine's philosophy and politics came up short because it would require more proactive and aggressive policies, but it was still an exceptional and extraordinary situation even for more aggressive governments.

    Satine got overwhelmed by extraordinary circumstances created by an absolute wildcard with a massive pan-Galactic organization using lateral, indirect, and obtuse strategies against her; it wasn't her philosophy or ideals themselves that ended her reign, but rather her philosophy and ideals meeting a situation much more complex and dedicated to subterfuge and conspiracy than most philosophies and politics would be able to handle - they were just the perfect counter to her philosophy where Pre and Dooku's earlier schemes hadn't been.

    Satine clearly has the edge in pragmatism, wisdom, and politics compared to her sister, even with the handicaps of her pacifism.
     
  20. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 5

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    Mandalore was rotting from within before the declaration of the Empire. Palpatine was salivating at the chance of a Republic takeover of the planet before Order 66. Death Watch was manipulated by the Sith (Dooku) into acting during TCW. Palpatine's effort to occupy the planet with Clone Forces was thwarted by Satine and Padme. And in the end it was a rival Sith in Maul who exploited Mandalore's weakness under Satine to take over.
     
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  21. Swashbucklingjedi

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    It can be interpreted that way too, yet all become crashing down fairly quickly for her when Darth Maul took interest in her world. Her idealism created extraordinary circumstances that made it actually very easy to attack her world from the outside. She was focused on almost solely defending against the internal threat of civil war neglecting the defense from the outside.

    Criminal element was already involved on Mandalore before Maul and all that however, so even if she was successful in what most leaders would not be, staying neutral in the galactic war, she did fail in underestimating the threat of completely immoral elements and she was partially responsible of all that happened. Even though she can hardly be blamed considering that she could not know all this. She did the best she could to stay true to her ideals and sure she stayed pacifist until the very end. Her tragedy was... well very tragic. She did nothing really wrong, and unjustly suffered for it... Criminals are not honorable.

    Pacifism is just unable to defend against the pure evil. In Star Wars galaxy pure evil is represented by the sith. Corruption is the route for pure evil to take down otherwise working system of government. That is same what happened to the Galactic Republic. In a way it's same story all over again with Mandalore as it was with the Republic. Just in smaller scale.

    Still it is true Satine succeeded for a while in something Bo-Katan never did, being an inspirational leader during hard times.
     
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  22. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The real question in this hypothetical is whether Satine or her regime could have either:

    - Adapted to make the necessary war movements in the Galactic Civil War, where, in the plus column, they have the subtlety and subterfuge for the job, but are still pacifists as a negative. Satine herself seems unlikely to make that necessary leap... but her regime might be able to with different leadership, whether from her stepping down or being peacefully forced out.

    - Simply offered a more substantial and healthier logistical foe to the Empire because it avoided Maul's civil war.

    Part of the problem, to tie this back to Bo herself, is that the Empire has the overwhelming logistical edge to make both Satine's pacifism a non-starter and Bo's often too blunt and lonely approach; the ideal mix required in that situation is likely Bo's willingness for war and her embrace of the warrior culture, but Satine's political foresight, pragmatism, and openness to alliance with others.

    Satine's like a well-equipped doctor who will never break her Hippocratic Oath, and Bo's like a Viking chieftain with an axe they'd just love to use.... but the mugger confronting them in the Empire has an automatic rifle.
     
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  23. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    I was recently watching a reaction video of the Lawless episode of TCW (guilty pleasure of mine) when it occurred to me that maybe Bo never necessarily wanted the Dark Saber with her possession because it's the same blade that killed her sister. I mean all the talk about how it's like a birthright of the Mandalorians; and yet you'd think she'd still wouldn't want anything to do with it.
     
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  24. Chris0013

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    I really hope the hire Kevin McKidd to play Fenn Rau in live action for the Bo-Katan show.
     
  25. VexedAtVohai

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    Re-watching The Heiress and noticed that Bo-Katan says
    "This armour has been in my family for three generations," which seems quite specific.
    I'm wondering if the Kryze family lineage had been planned out already at that point.
     
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