PT Boarding the Trade Federation Space Station

When Qui-Gon and Obi Wan boarded the Trade Federation space station for the negociations on the blockade on Naboo they were asked to wait for the droid's master to arrive.

Obi Wan Kenobi mentioned:



My question remains..... how did someone like Qui-Gon not sense anything since he was a jedi that bypasses the jedi code to commit himself more to the force. Yet, he was not aware of the disturbance that was shortly after about to happen. Obi Wan noticed something was not right.

I hope you guy/ladies wonder what you think of this theory. What clouded Qui-Gon's mind and not Obi Wan's?

Let me know below! Because:

 

Who says QuiGon didn't? He may have did, but they have a mission to do right then and there. Best to concentrate on one thing at a time..

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That's the whole thing about it. He did say it: "I don't sense anything."

why would he lie to Obi Wan that if he sensed it he would conceal this disturbance from his apprentice?

I am pretty sure Qui-Gon's focus rests on the force. He didn't go with the council's ideals aswell. Perhaps his dedication to the force was phenomenal. If there was one jedi throughout the films that fully trusted on the force it was him.

He even demanded Anakin to be trained despite that the council did not agree on that. They all were almost sure about he was the prophecy. The chosen one.

it's weird to me that somebody like Qui-Gon had more focus on the force than Obi-Wan and did not see what was about to happen.

lack of midichlorians? Or was Obi Wan not focussed on the mission? I don't know. I find this hard to figure out.

 

QuiGon did tell him to keep his concentration here and now, where it belonged..

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It means jedi are not all static, they have differences like top athletes have differences, and they are not omniscient.

 

Makes more sense now. Besides the betrayel happened pretty much unexpected. Just like order 66.

It all makes more sense to me now. Some Jedi were killed off guard and some felt the disturbance in time and managed to save lives.

Thanks guys! May the force be with you!

 

I think Qui Gon was somebody more in tune with the Living Force. He could sense the value of overlooked beings like Jar Jar and had an understanding of some of the more esoteric qualities of the force. I think he had a long view upon the potential destiny of people he met and his shrewd yet kind nature helped him mediate as a negotiator.

But in terms of sensing potential agression upon him he wasn't the best, as evidenced by this attack and the way Maul defeated him by surprise.
Perhaps his flaw was too often seeing the good in people?

 

Because Qui-Gon believes in living in the moment and making decisions based on what you know to be true in the present, not based on ill-defined anxieties about the future.

What good did it actually do Obi-Wan to sense the Sith plot? That was actually part of the Sith plot: Reveal the existence of a sinister plot to the Jedi and then watch as they panic and make increasingly poor decisions in their attempts to prevent it coming to pass. It's a consistent theme of the films that visions of the future are dangerous and using them to guide your actions in the present usually just backfires and ends up making things worse.

Qui-Gon didn't sense what Obi-Wan did because it wasn't relevant information to him. Remember, Qui-Gon is the one who first comes to believe the Sith have returned and that the Chosen One has been found, and he comes to these conclusions based on his lived experience. Obi-Wan is the one who refuses to trust Qui-Gon's conclusions, and who sides with the Council about Anakin simply because his future is clouded. Qui-Gon is guided by the Living Force, while Obi-Wan is frequently led astray by his anxieties.

 

In addition to all of that, the real purpose of the dialogue is to establish the Master-Padawan relationship between the two characters, by showing the less experienced Obi-Wan being slightly uneasy, and the older and wiser master calming him down (the reverse wouldn't be logical). And even more importantly, to establish the philosophy of the Force as a way of "feeling" and "sensing" things that aren't apparent.

Most of the times, the early dialogue on a film is written in a slightly clunky way just because it has to introduce the characters, relationships and plots to the audience.

 

I'd have to disagree, I think the opening dialogue of TPM elegantly establishes important themes which will go on to define the series. I think it's intentional and significant that Obi-Wan senses the Sith plot but can do nothing with his "bad feeling" other than allow himself to be distracted from his present mission. I don't think Lucas chose the opening lines of the series lightly.

 

I searched for qui gon on youtube. And found the video above. Thought it was quite funny.

I don't think they were aware of the sith until Qui Gon encountered Maul on Tatooine. Hence the name TPM.

 

Actually I think everyone misunderstands the title. To describe something using the adjective "phantom" means to say that it is illusory or nonexistent despite being perceived as real. The phantom menace is therefore the blockade crisis, which has been manufactured in order to hide the true threat of the Sith, which is the actual menace.

 

... and who appears as a phantom. I don’t think the title has only one meaning.

 

And one could argue that it also refers to Anakin, what with the Council doing everything short of screaming, “Take that kid back where he came from or so help me...!!”

 

Well that sort of says it all but the larger point that this all is part of comes down to the fact that Qui-Gon was entirely correct and that Anakin was the Chosen One which proves out in ROTJ as he destroys the Sith and brings balance to the Force.

Obi-Wan trained Anakin because of Qui-Gon not because he ever truly believed in the prophecy.

 

Didn’t he kind of believe in it toward the end?

“With all due respect, Master, is he not the Chosen One?”
“YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! IT WAS SAID YOU’D DESTROY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM!!”

 

Obi Wan his trust was based on what the council told him. He even questioned it. In a conversation with Yoda and Mace in a LAAT. He believed in the prophecy. But questioned it when the whole situation started become darker and darker. The jedi were blind. Mace and Yoda also said that the prophecy could have been misread. Balance to the force is a statement that can go both ways.

 

Well, no actually, balance is very specifically a thing which can't go both ways.

He believed in it when everything seemed to be going the right way, but then stopped believing in it when everything started going wrong. I personally think he regained his faith when he held Luke in his arms and heard Padme say there was still good in Anakin.

 

Ok