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The Mandalorian Boba Fett in The Mandalorian

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by RX_Sith, May 9, 2020.

  1. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Master star 5

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    Sure he can be both, but i think he fights more like a warrior.
     
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  2. Darth Chuck Norris

    Darth Chuck Norris Jedi Master star 4

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    Again, it's the story the writers came up with. And whether a good story or not, it doesn't make Maul's survival any more plausible. The Clone Wars told a phenomenal story with Maul. It was an intriguing and compelling story of how Maul used the force, and was driven by pure unadulterated hatred of Obi-Wan to beat the odds and survive. We got an awesome exposition into Maul's fractured mindset built on revenge and the power he needed to attain to accomplish that revenge. That said, it still doesn't make his survival from being bisected plausible.

    Same goes for Boba Fett. The writers might be able to tell a good story. It still doesn't make his survival plausible. Fett is not force sensitive. Maul at least had a connection that would allow a story, even if a bit contrived, for his survival. Fett's blaster rifle was destroyed by Luke. So nothing to shoot his way out with. He has a jet pack, but it's potentially malfunctioning as it misfired when Han hit it on the skiff. Not to mention the Sarlacc has spikes that point inward to prevent crawling out. Much like if you drive over the wrong way spikes, you're not going anywhere. Fett wears armor, but that armor covers his chest, shoulders, and knees only. Plenty of body area for the Sarlacc's tentacles to inflict damage and inject the paralyzing serum. Very little plausibility in Fett surviving.

    The biggest issue here is once a character dies, regardless of popularity, or how cheap or uncool their death may have been, or a missed opportunity to give them a cool story, the character needs to remain deceased. Not keeping them dead opens the door for asinine stories just because someone thinks a character is cool. Filoni had to introduce time travel to the GFFA just so he could keep Ahsoka alive. What's next? Vader is alive? Luke only burned his armor on the pyre and secretly nursed him back to health? Mace Windu only lost an appendage, and fell out a window. Maybe we can bring him back? It's not like he was bisected or eaten by a giant creature. How about all the people on both Death Stars? Sure, they were blown up, but we never actually saw anyone on them die. Maybe they all floated down to Yavin or Endor? None of them were cut in half or eaten by the Sarlacc. Maybe Jango Fett could be alive? He was only decapitated. Boba could have taken his head to Kamino and had a new body cloned for him? I have a great idea. Let's never have a character die. They can all just stay alive forever. I know, we'll make them all like James Bond. They go on forever and never get older.

    Remember, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
     
  3. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Master star 4

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    Which Sith lord doesn't fight like a warrior? Every Sith after Darth Bane trained well in the Jedi arts, it was part of their development during the 1000 years intensive study until they showed themselves to the Jedi.
    Saying that you don't like the fact that they choose to resurrect the dead characters is one thing, saying that it doesn't make sense in Star Wars is another. Star Wars's core is almost based on resurrecting the dead characters by turning them into ghosts; Ben Kenobi and then Yoda. That's how the Force works. No one knows. You can say that you didn't like that they decided to bring the other dead characters by using the Force, that’s ok but you can't say it's not plausible because that's what Star Wars is; ghost Kenobi and ghost Yoda.
     
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  4. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 1

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    I LOVE that it doesn't have the missile attachment. It makes it easier to speculate that somehow Fett was able to fire it and just blew up the Sarlacc. Makes the possibility of barely climbing out alive rather than the theatrical flying out image artists have always drawn.
     
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  5. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Sorcerer lay terminology has to with describing a Force(usually Jedi or Sith) using warrior by either an ignorant or primitive culture and/or enemy( this case Mandalorian- and not any particular "power level".

    And yes, real world people have survived surviving being cut in half from the waist down. Maul's wound was cauterized, and he was a uniquely strong and very powerful Sith Lord and used the Dark Side of the Force . Not sure why that is even an issue. Even very bad falls from extreme heights do not seem to stop Sith Lords or quasi-Sith Lords(Kylo/Ben) and we see Force users actually being trained to stop falls. Even extreme height falls some people have survived in the real world. Whether nor not a lightning fried brain dead Mace that was missing a lower arm and flung a tens of dozens of miles into massive buildings and flying vehicles somehow stopped himself from falling is another matter.


    Q: And Luke falls under his spell. Which is cool, but as you know, some people didn’t like that you brought back the Emperor.


    TOM[Veitch]: I sympathize…but these folks were probably unfamiliar with the history of movie serials and comics, where great villains never completely die — they always return. Star Wars, as you know, was partly based on Flash Gordon, a movie serial and comic strip in which the principal villain, the evil emperor Ming the Merciless, is never completely killed off. For instance, consider the 1980 Flash Gordon movie where Max von Sydow as Ming is impaled by his own war rocket (of which Flash had taken control). After a vain attempt to stop Flash attacking him, Ming ultimately points his ring at himself and he vanishes. Then, just before the credits begin, his ring is retrieved by an unknown individual, and the words “The End” and a question mark appear, as Ming’s evil laughter plays in the background, hinting he isn’t really dead. (from Wikipedia)




    The coffin-like prison the Bo-Katan's Mandalorians put Maul was designed for his kind. And its actually lifted out've Dark Empire's Dungeon Ships that were built to imprison Force users:


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    Moreover it was very obvious Maul had successfully resisted the prison since he pretended to be asleep as he spied on his foes and he also made a very quick recovery after Ahsoka released him.
     
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  6. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Master star 5

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  7. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Is the talent agency website any better then say IMDB?

    I mean it says various under Directors. which would reply he is in more than 1 episode.
     
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  8. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Master star 5

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    It's legit. So yeah now we only need to speculate when he sohws up. We know Mando gets his gear.
     
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  9. Darth Chuck Norris

    Darth Chuck Norris Jedi Master star 4

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    You're confusing the afterlife with resurrection. Key word being ghost. There is a huge difference between life after death and being brought back among the living. And again, I'm not disparaging Maul, nor the story they told, even if the reasons behind his survival were contrived. And with the level of contrivance involved, in spite of his connection to the Force to base his story of survival in, Maul's survival is still not plausible. Yes, others have lost limbs and lived, but there is a huge difference between losing an appendage and being split in twain. Had Maul been decapitated, and the writers made him survive, would you be as forgiving of the plausibility of his survival?
     
  10. GregMcP

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    Plausibility is overrated.
    Robo-Maul turned out to be a quite compelling character. One worth ending the Clone Wars series with.

    Star Wars is full of moments that are a bit sketchy if you think about them. Turn off your logic chip for a moment and get past it, and it's all cool.

    Anyway, Boba escaping the Sarlaac is pretty low on the Unlikely Scale when it comes to all this stuff. And it's a fun little thing that fans and writers have played with for decades. Easy fan service. I'm happy to see it
     
  11. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Master star 4

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    Not every Jedi becomes a ghost, they use a special technique that makes their bodies disappear without a trace so they can turn into ghosts. Can you explain how their dead bodies disappear suddenly after dying? No one can explain because that's how the Force works. And Kenobi's ghost played a huge role in the series because how he manipulated Luke, it wasn't something that Luke choose to see, it was Kenobi that manipulated Luke with that power, right after getting killed by Vader. Both powers are supernatural but you think one is plausible and the other is not. That's what I find inconsistent.
     
  12. ScreamingWoman2019

    ScreamingWoman2019 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Bobba Fett would be 40; Morrison is 60. He's a legacy guy -Hamill,68, played Luke in the hut, 47- so maybe he'll just be PT/OT Bobba.

    But I guess aging could be a part of the characters's motivation. Bobba was designed as a not docile clone with a normal growth rate; but nothing was said about his life span. So maybe there would be a 'cheating death' motivation.

    That would connect Baby Yoda with him and with the hated jedi. And with Palpatine. Maybe that's why his son/clone was a failure. Baby Yoda was saved.

    As for Palpatine and Fett:
    Maybe Bobba and Palpatine had a chat about the jedi and jango and life and death after ROTJ.
     
  13. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    If he indeed survived the Sarlacc pit I doubt he was the same ever again. Moreover his performance facing Luke was not exactly stellar in ROTJ, he may of just retired and became something of a local lawman or crime boss. Morever his father Jango was killed by a Jedi, pretty easily. So there is likely some residual mental anguish going on.
     
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  14. DannyD

    DannyD Jedi Knight star 3

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    Both events relate to jetpacks for Jango and Boba. I reckon there'll be a bit of comedy moment from Boba about Mando jetpacks.

    But he did nearly kill Luke in ROTJ.
     
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  15. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well not really, he didnt almost kill Luke. In fact it didn't even look like he knew what he was doing against even a half-trained Jedi warrior in the movie. He was more or less just fighting him as he would a regular melee opponent and relying on range weapons. Closest he came was the rope tie(we know that does not work Maul vs Vizsla) when Luke was distracted with seeing if Han was hurt but Luke cut it and got loose pretty quickly after the initial shock- then moments later Boba attempted to take a pop shot at Luke but again when Luke was distracted while his back was turned as he engaged Jabba's men on the other skiff. Fett's aim was horrible as he even overshoots Luke before Han accidentally takes him out by smashing his jetpack. It was a very weak show.



    Jango seemed to have gotten lucky with killing Coleman Trebor(supposedly one of the most proficient lightsaber duelists of the Order), but that was mainly cause Coleman wasnt paying attention of surroundings and opposition and hesitated in attacking his target. Coleman was too arrogant and dumb there. Jango took advantage of the distracted and hesitate Jedi with his fast firing blasters and that later went to his head when jumped in to try and kill another Jedi, Mace Windu. But when mono a mono with a Jedi his blasters were useless. Not even Boba during the TCW could come anywhere near fighting a Jedi or Sith/Dark Sider. Boba's main thing is generic bounties and bodyguard henchman not facing down Force users.

    Realistically Boba was probably no better or worse than a generic Death Watch goon against a Jedi type warrior. But he didn't really have a good track record(Windu, Ventress, Dooku and then Luke). Even Jango got easily defeated by Kenobi one on one in AOTC - and he used whatever weapons he had and Boba saved him by firing the Slave's cannons.
     
  16. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Id be shocked if Boba was changed due to ROTJ. i suspect they will keep Boba the same. he is more or less an anti-hero. and thats being generous.

    The best example would be the game lines from Battlefront 2, although lines clearly recorded out of context and the performance lesser then what it would be in live-action, is probably the closest expansion or exploration of Boba's personality so far with temuera morrison in the role.

     
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  17. Meeko Ghintee

    Meeko Ghintee Jedi Knight star 3

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    I don’t think it’s fair to say Jango was just “lucky”. His duel with Kenobi was one of the major action set pieces of AotC, I wouldn’t call it an easy defeat (if you can even call it a defeat). For a non-force user, holding fairly well against Obi-Wan is pretty impressive (considering that Obi-wan has defeated several powerful villains in Star Wars). The fact that he was chosen by the Sith as the template for the army that took down the Jedi Order attests that he wasn’t just some nobody or low grade goon. With Windu, he may have done better if not for the busted Jetpack. As for Boba he did suck in ROTJ but Star Wars villains die ironically stupid defeats into pits after thinking they’ve won (see Darth Maul getting cut in half while taunting like a nutcase, Palpatine getting thrown down the Death Star shaft). I view it as flaws of hubris rather than skill or power.
     
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  18. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Jango's westar blasters are specifically designed for brief and intense surprise attacks at close range & high rates of continuous fire. Jango was also a quick draw artist and fairly competent shot under ideal conditions, and a little bit of a boxer/brawler but thats about it. A lot of the success he had against Coleman was cause of the blasters and his skill with the surprise attack qick draw action. It served him well there but he's limited.

    Jango/Boba were pretty good at facing down generic marks but not particularly trained warriors like Jedi Knights or Jedi arts practitioners. Coleman is more an anomaly as I said above, but other Bounty Hunters have killed Jedi before, so it can be done of course. But we have to make the distinction between the Jango/Boba of modern canon to that of the EU(which much of their fan mystique and reverence actually came from) not really the movies or neo-canon.

    Kenobi did dominate the fight, Jango had to rely on flying and hiding and ranged attack(Boba kinda saved him to by buying him time against a superior enemy) and almost killed Jango when he kicked him off the roof, so yeah it was a defeat and followed up with a retreat - he did not even bother to destroy the platform and he bumps his head on the Slave's closing doors so he mustve been hurting pretty bad from the fight and just wanted out've there quickly.

    Jango vs Obi has certain similarities to Maul vs Vizsla, from the explosions, to jump kicks and head butts ect. But Vizsla was a better opponent and had some mixed martial arts training, sword training and experience facing Jedi(Ahsoka and Kenobi) warriors. He also had slightly better aim and reflexes, But Vizla was overall a better combatant than Jango . Pre was a better fighter than Jango or even Gar Saxon(Saxon vs Wren).

    Jango pretty much sucked against Kenobi in AOTC , but its not that much a surprise since in the film he was little more than a hired assassin and not part of a warrior class that were specifically trained and engineered to fight Jedi warriors. I was not impressed with Jango in that movie at all. Boba was worse off in the OT, he just looked cool. Dark Empire gave him renewed vigor and life for us fans but there is differences between the films and his action in the old comics.



    At 1:28 it was really over for Jango:



    While Pre was finished by 2:51:



    With Jango vs Windu , his is first mistake was flying into the arena, his 2nd was trying to jump to get to Windu's lightsaber. That was really dumb, I guess he forgot he had a grappling hook and also kinda forgot that Jedi can use the Force. The rhino-like beast and jetpack had little to do with losing to Windu. He just made one mistake after the next and his fight with Kenobi should've made him wiser than to go up against a Jedi, and Windu of all Jedi. Very silly. But I think it was obvious that him killing Coleman went straight to his head - it cost him his head per Lucas' oddball sense of humor.

    Boba in ROTJ compared to Jango in AOTC just reeks of grossly inferior (but who knows maybe it wasn't Boba there but his protege or an imposter).



    Its probably best Fett ends up like a Kuiil replacement type. Maybe this show can kinda fix Boba, provided the character appears - but any kinda Luke vs Boba or Boba vs Solo rematch aint happening and if it did he'd die(again like usual anytime they bring back a villain in this franchise). They'd have to be careful how they use him since its a Legacy character and unfortunately they do not have a good track record of treating such characters very well.
     
  19. MrDarth0

    MrDarth0 Jedi Master star 4

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    Per canon Jango Fett is one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy during the PT era with the only real competition being Cad Bane.

    And Boba is supposed to be one of the best, if not the best, bounty hunter in the galaxy during the OT era.

    But they both go against some of the most powerful Force users that ever lived and no matter how good equipped or skilled you are, trained Force users will always have the advantage. Especially if they have their lightsaber.
     
  20. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    True but the difference is irrelevant. A trained Mandalorian would last seconds more than Jango did against Obi-Wan but they would be killed because they probably wouldn't run away.

    He did kill a Jedi though. He could have beaten many of them but there isn't much to do against the top tier in a one on one situation besides run.

    If the jetpack worked he would have got out of there. It's all well and good to say he should have done this and that but even with specific training taking on someone with the Force who's trained and in this case pretty much THE best fighter in the galaxy then any one on one is a foregone conclusion.
     
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  21. Django Fett

    Django Fett Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Anyone can edit IMDB but unlike Wikipedia it has to be vetted by administrators.
     
  22. Jedi Knight Fett

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    I am really glad he didn’t appear in the trailer really thought he would
     
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  23. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Looking at temuera morrisons page on the talent agency again, it looks like they have taken down the Boba fett in Mandalorian listing

    I gather they got asked to take it down.
     
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  24. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    Yes. I take this as 99.99% confirmation.
     
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  25. Jedi Knight Fett

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    Not that we needed it anyway I trust the sources we had before to not get it wrong
     
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