Senate Civil Rights Thread

I think too many places cater to families and that there should definitely be adults-only places other than bars and strip clubs.

 

I agree. My son knows how to act in public, so taking him out isn't that big of a deal.One of my big pet peeves is kids who turn around in booths and stare at the people behind them while they eat... so rude. Most of the time, the parents do nothing about it. I taught my son, at an early age, that it's rude to stare.

 

The problem with some parents is they think their special little **** should be everyone's special little ****. And that their comfort should supersede others because they're parents, but if you speak up, you hate kids (as if disliking being around children when you're trying to eat is a crime) or are intolerant.

 

Another example of a business suffering because of the combination of bad parenting and inept social media use. If someone's dining experience is ruined because of feral kids it's silly for the restaurant to just ban kids. That is the business just trying to compensate for bad parents by punishing all parents. It's never going to end well as people are generally very defensive of their kids and the business owner just doesn't know the dynamics there. Imagine some family battling with their kid's bullying and exclusion issues at school decide to go out and then get refused entry to restaurant because of said kid? Explosion waiting to happen.

Business owners should also not have social media unless they receive training on how to use it. Social media is like gun ownership. Treat that thing carefully.

Ultimately all diners should be welcome but you should have rules and enforce them. Give thought to how you can deal with kids. Rather than taking them on do something to accommodate them. Invest in a couple of arcade games and put them in a corner somewhere screened off from the rest of the restaurant. Or something.

 

I dunno. Why can't some restaurants be for adults only? I mean, that's why we have Dave&Busters and the like, right?

 

Or just make it for adults only. Re-brand yourself an adults-only establishment. Since being single is becoming the norm, I'm sure there's a market for it. Most parents feel entitled to take their children everywhere as it is. How many times has this happened: You're at a midnight movie release and the action takes a lull and you hear a child crying? Or any sort of movie where you wouldn't expect to find a child like an R-rated movie or such. Or you're in a restaurant and a child just starts moving around and being a nuisance? Or yelling and running around? Bad parenting, sure, but also probably not the place you'd want children anyway.

Then parents complain when places choose to make their business adults-only. Well behaved or not, some places would just be better experiences without them and unfortunately that's just not the case right now.

 

Agreed.. I'm a parent, and would have absolutely no objections to an adults only establishment

 

I firmly believe that people shouldn't be discriminated against simply because they have children. If the restaurant is "themed" in such a way so as to make it inappropriate for kids then that us all good and well, but otherwise I think kit is wrong to turn people away simply because they have children.

 

So, are you okay with people taking children to bars? I dunno, that whole, "I don't want to discriminate against people that have children," thing could be used for just such an occasion. I don't have a problem with most parents, but they're catered to waaay too much and they whine and complain when a business decides to be child-free.

 

Some places are not appropriate for kids, like bars. Restaurants and bars are not the same thing clearly.

 

You're really equating disallowing parents to racism and homosexuality? That's the attitude I'm describing when I say parents are catered to too much. They start equating adults-only or child-free to other, more serious issues.

Yes, but some restaurants have bars.

 

Catering to the stupid is not the answer.

 

Yeah, I don't see that gaining much traction here since there's already a societal precedent for disallowing children in certain places. True, that list is already shrinking to begin with, but there's still one or two places that are not meant for children.

 

Yes some restaurants have bars and so kids generally stay in restaurant area and stay out of bar area. There is a restaurant near me that has a cabaret "horror " theme and that is not appropriate for kids. You could justify excluding children because of the entertainment which accompanies the meal. But where there is no such entertainment, just food, then the business owners shouldn't exclude children in my view as that is discrimination. It is discrimination because you treating people differently on the basis of their inclusion in a group, ie, as "parents". If there are safety reasons to exclude kids then that is fine.

 

If your only way to exclude children is by being a porn themed restaurant or a comedy club or anything else, that's really ridiculous. Restaurants should be allowed to cater to whatever customer they want so long as it's not discrimination based on sexuality, race, or gender. And children can be a nuisance to everyone in the establishment.

 

It's not discrimination. Don't be stupid. No one is forbidding people with kids from going to classy restaurants. We just ask that you leave your awful spawn behind.

 

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I disagree that discrimination should only be limited to sexuality, gender and race. I have three children and a grandchild so I know better than most how much of a nuisance kids can be at restaurants. That is why there should be rules which must be followed or gtfo but I think it is ridiculous to impose a blanket ban on children. Such a ban is unfair to those parents whose kids do behave.

 

Why do you need to take you kids every goddamned place?

 

Yikes... why so angry, Heero?

 

It is discrimination. It's not always that easy to leave your kids behind. Many parents don't have family support or can afford babysitters. On this basis if the adults and kids are a package deal then they are going to be refused service. That is differential treatment on the grounds of membership within a certain group. Which is discrimination. You may take this form of discrimination lightly but I don't. You are entitled to your opinion though as am I.

Personally I can think of nothing worse than taking my kids to a nice restaurant but I want the choice to do so.

 

Well, I don't know... I live on a pretty tight budget, so when I'm looking at priorities, if I can't afford childcare, I'm probably not looking to eat at a fine dining establishment.