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Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Kato Sai, Aug 20, 2020.

  1. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    The problem with cloning with SW technology would be that it takes them just as long to grow as natural born beings. On Kamino they use something called growth acceleration. But even if they used that Anakin would have had to wait about 13 years till his Padmé clone would be roughly the age when the original died. If he preferred a younger version it would still be a matter of years. Also, those clones grew up faster but aged twice as fast as well. The Padmé clone may have died of old age long before Anakin.
    So I doubt that would have been much use to him. Unless he married her as a young kid. And who could guarantee that the "new" Padmé would even have accepted Anakin as her partner? After all she wouldn't have those memories of all they had been through together. Anakin would be a stranger to her. Unless Sidious had a way to somehow use the dark side to restore those memories AND make her fall in love with Anakin. Even if he could do that, she would be a little girl with the memories of an adult, much like Alia in the first Dune book. And I'm not sure if either the Padmé clone or Anakin would have wanted that. So it would have been either that or wait for a long time until she would have been "old enough" for Anakin.
    We are not even sure Palpatine had the growth acceleration technique available to him. Suppose the Kaminoans simply refused to cooperate?
    I don't know how cloning works in Dune. Maybe the Tleilaxu found a way to produce clones that are fully grown already. Same goes for replicants. Do they need to grow up like normal humans or are they made as 1:1 exact copies of the original?
    In short, it simply wouldn't have worked in ROTS.
     
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  2. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    Isn’t that what Ben Solo did to Rey in Rise of Skywalker? He transferred his own essence into her? Not like he’s possessing her or anything, but giving her his life force?
     
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  3. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Essence transfer is transferring a soul from the body it belongs to, into a different body - usually because the original is dead.

    What Ben Solo did was healing -

    possibly
    to the point of "healing a recently dead body before the "soul" has left it, bringing the body back to life".

    However, he spent his own energy to do so, to the point that he did not have enough to keep him alive - hence his death right afterward.


    What Legends Palpatine did, was transfer Lemelisk's soul into the body of clone Lemelisk.
     
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  4. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    A considerable amount of Legends bleeds into NU canon. Force Storm, seen in “The Book of Sith,” (Legends) makes its first appearance in TROS when Sidious shoots bolts into the sky to disable ships.

    Force Healing, a staple EU/Legends force power was made canon in The Mandalorian Season I, Episode 2 via Baby Yoda, and in TROS via Rey.

    Sidious threatens essence transfer, saying if Rey slays him he’ll possess her body via a Sith Ritual. Rey believes this enough that she uses two lightsabers to deflect Palpatine’s Force Lightning back on him making him his own destroyer.
     
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  5. Darth Boycs

    Darth Boycs Jedi Knight star 1

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    What you're describing is more akin to the Cylon downloading in Battlestar Galactica.
     
  6. lord_sidious_

    lord_sidious_ Jedi Knight star 3

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    I agree with what others have said about Vader not wanting to clone Padme. Having said that, IF for any reason someone else decided to clone Padme and then Vader met the clone, I don't think he'd be able to take his eyes off her. Not that it would go well. I can't imagine a Padme replica falling in love with a murder machine who seems obsessed with her for no reason that she can understand. Sidious also wouldn't like how Vader is being reminded of his past. And things would get really messed up if the Padme clone meets Luke. They'd be at about the same age and if they don't know who she's a clone of... umm lets not go there.
     
  7. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    [SIGMUND FREUD HAS ENTERED THE CHAT]

    Sorry :p
     
  8. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    The Clone Padme that would work is a dark sider version of her, what Anakin wanted, “We can rule the galaxy, make things the way we want them to be!” Then she could assist him in his dark dominion with the Emperor.

    Sith Padme concept art:

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  9. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    Now THAT, I can buy easily.
     
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  10. wobbits

    wobbits Force Ghost star 4

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    Because his fear of Padme's death after the death of his mother was part of the journey that led to his downfall..her not being a clone serves a purpose in the story Lucas wanted to tell.

    I mean SW has shown medical technology we could just as easily ask why didn't he take her to the doctor if he was afraid something was going to wrong. It doesn't make sense to me to want to re-write the story years after the fact.
     
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  11. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Well the point is Anakin is possessive, and in a way, when Padme would go down his dark path he did lose some love for her. He had done all that he had done for her “to protect you,” but he response was rejection and a person like Anakin with BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) couldn’t handle it.

    So a clone Padme with dark side sympathies would serve him well. Because the old Padme disappointed him.
     
  12. wobbits

    wobbits Force Ghost star 4

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    I don't go the route of watching the films and trying to diagnose the someone else's fictional characters with disorders. George explained why Anakin did what he did and it came across for me during the story, I don't have to re-write it to understand it or enjoy it.

    Giving Anakin a dark side sympathetic clone of Padme completely up ends George's intended moral of the story. Anakin was not supposed to get everything he wanted. He suffered for his choices by design. Rewarding him with a copy of Padme is like excusing all the evil that he did.
     
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  13. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Well a dark side clone isn’t letting Anakin get all he wanted. His desire was for Padme herself to join him, as he later desired Luke to join him in ESB, but I think Vader would have taken the next best thing, Luuke (dark side clone) and dark Padme.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Billy_Dee_Binks

    Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost star 4

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    You mean a... Padmé Armydala?
     
  15. AEHoward33

    AEHoward33 Jedi Master star 4

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    What?o_O
     
  16. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    My point being clones arn’t mindless or impaired, but csn be are real and personable as the real host.
     
  17. Nehru_Amidala

    Nehru_Amidala Force Ghost star 7

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    ^ I can agree with that. If a Padme clone won’t work, a Padme ganger.
     
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  18. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    What is interesting is Padme fell in love with Vader as much as she did Anakin, she built a bind with him when he confesses to killing women and children Tuskans, but later says, “he said you killed younglings.” Padme I think feared not Vader so much as for her children, what if Anakin/Vader should turn his ire on them?

    A Dark Lady Padme clone would work because Padme already gave a little into the darkness by loving Anakin who demonstrated the dark side was in him.
     
  19. Dannik Jerriko

    Dannik Jerriko Jedi Master star 4

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    For me, the idea of cloning or downloading memories does not constitute the continuation of the individual consciousness.

    For example, if the science existed, I could have a clone of myself created and implanted with all my memories and personality (in short a complete replication of myself at this point in time). Both this hypothetical clone and I could exist at the same time and would have two separate conscious selves. Even if the clone were created after my death, my consciousness would not manifest in my clone. Therefore, a Padme clone (possessing every one of her memories and emotions up until the point of her death) would not have allowed a continuation of Padme’s consciousness. This clone would have been a separate entity possessing carbon-copies of Padme’s memories, personality and emotions.

    The only way in which Padme could have been truly resurrected using cloning techniques would be through some form of essence transfer if this were possible in the Star Wars universe.
     
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  20. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Such a power is possible, essence transfer, “the dark side of the Force is a pathway to abilities some consider unnatural.” (Sidious).
     
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  21. I believe in EU Legends because Vader learned to leave his Anakin past
    in Disney Canon he wanted to resurrect her than Clone her
     
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  22. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Do you think Vader would do a form of Force Necromancy to bring Padme back? Could he not combine the two? A clone body and dark side magic.
     
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  23. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    Why didn't Anakin simply buy a body pillow with Padme's image printed on it?