Concerning Pipeweed

What is the deal with this? Is this stuff supposed to represent Marajuana,or like Cuban Cigars? Watching the scene "Floesam and Jeesam" for the first time today ( The Two Towers : Special Extended Edition ), Pippin & Merry seem to be very happy that they found some. As the sceen progresses, you can see smoke coming out of the doorway, followed by them laughing their arses off. So I'm wondering what this stuff really is.

 

Pipeweed is tobacco. It says so in the books. Merry and Pippin are not stoned in that scene.

 

It´s Pot, and they were both high

 

We seem to be at an impasse.


tf

 

The only way to solve this, is pistols at ten paces.

 

I said High not Stoned

And somewhere else in the movies there is said something like "your devotion to the halflength (sp) herbs, has clouded your..." or something like that.

Edit: DDH, i take my guess back, no pisols

 

It never says in the book

I just thought it was just a leaf

You don't live to be 144 doing drugs


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From the
Encyclobedia of Arda

-Pipe-weed
The Shire-hobbits? contribution to civilization-

Tobacco, or a closely related plant, adopted for smoking by the Hobbits, and hence also called Halflings' Leaf.

 

"Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind..." - Saruman

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Just a thought :

Do you suppose the word 'Toke" is an homage to JRR Tolkien, who was seldom seen without a pipe of some sort?

(Also, don't forget that Master Yoda chews on his Gimer-wood cane as an "aid" to meditation {LOL})

 

No it's not

look here for the information you seek

EDIT: and Dagobah, i just gave you what EoA says on it..and that's pretty much the bottom line...it's tobacco (or similar plant), not marijuana

 

Early LSD testing on writers!



tf

 

"Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind..."

That the line I´m talking about and see, Gandalf is ####....

 

Yes, finally! A LOTR thread!!!!

 

"Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind..."

This line was not written by Tolkien and I doubt if it is in the book. I would assume that one of the films screenwriters put that in as a joke. Peter Jackson is probably a stoner so he wanted to make it out to be like marijauna but that was not Tolkien's intention.

 

Well, I haven´t read the books in english, but in my native language, and I´m pretty sure I remember a sentence similar to that one

 

In Tolkien's books it's tobacco, Tolkien was after all a heavy smoker. In the movies however it's clearly a reference to Marijuana, though you can take it as being Tobacco as well.

 

Yeah, it's just tobacco. It's not marijuana or any other kind of drug.

 

But they sure do make it out to believe that it has a high effect on those who use it. I believe that was the only reason Gandalf went to visit Bilbo cuz he was low on long-bottom leaf.

 

"Your love of the halflings leaf has surley slowed your mind."

"Best weed in hobbithood."

"..You smoke too much."

It is clearly meant to be a stimulate on the same par as the chronic. This element is presented with no mystery or disguise in the films.

Aragorn smokes Tabacco. Pip and Marry were indeed high. They even have the munchees.

I found it surprising when I first saw Fellowship but I feel it to be unique as they were not afraid to add it. I myself dont smoke weed but I have never seen anyone do anything crazy that did. Dispite the NEW far-fetched commercials that says grass is deadly.

In the STARWARS universe they smoke deathsticks and sniff spice. In middle-earth they smoke bomb and drink ale. There are vices on all worlds because there must be. We would not be human without them. Now stop yackin and pass me a cold one!

 

"Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind..."

I've heard plenty of debate about whether that line is an indication of the leaf itself actually slowing his mind, or his devotion to the hobbits distracting him.

 

Well, I haven´t read the books in english, but in my native language, and I´m pretty sure I remember a sentence similar to that one

1. Tolkein never wrote a scene detailing a private conversation of Saruman and Gandalf anyway, and
2. I just searched my digital text of LOTR, and Saruman never ever says leaf.

 

*passes NeoBaggins a beer

"Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind..."

This line was not written by Tolkien and I doubt if it is in the book.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was.

 

Ahem...

Concerning Pipe-Weed
Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring Prologue: Part 2
P. 9
by J.R.R. Tolkien and Meriadoc Brandybuck

There is another thing about the Hobbits of old that must be mentioned, an astonishing habit: they imbibed or inhaled, through pipes of clay or wood, the smoke of the burning leaves of an herb, which they called pipe-weed or leaf, a variety probably of Nicotiana. A great deal of mystery surrounds the origin of this peculiar custom, or 'art' as the Hobbits preferred to call it. All that could be discovered about it in antiquity was put together by Meriadoc Brandybuck (later Master of Buckland), and since he and the tobacco of the Southfarthing play a part in the history that follows, his remarks in the introduction to his Herblore of the Shire may be quoted.

'This,' he says, 'is the one art that we can certainly claim to be our own invention. When Hobbits first began to smoke is not known, all the legends and family histories take it for granted; for ages folk in the Shire smoked various herbs, some fouler, some sweeter. But all accounts agree that Tobold Hornblower of Longbottom in the Southfarthing first grew the true pipe-weed in his gardens in the days of Isengrim the Second, about the year 1070 of Shire-reckoning. The best home-grown still comes from that district, especially the varieties now known as Longbottom Leaf, Old Toby, and Southern Star.

'How Old Toby came by the plant is not recorded, for to his dying day he would not tell. He knew much about herbs, but he was no traveller. It is said that in his youth he went often to Bree, though he certainly never went further from the Shire than that. It is thus quite possible that he learned of this plant in Bree, where now, at any rate, it grows well on the south slopes of the hill. The Bree-hobbits claim to have been the first actual smokers of the pipe-weed. They claim, of course, to have done everything before the people of the Shire, whom they refer to as "colonists"; but in this case their claim is, I think, likely to be true. And certainly it was from Bree that the art of smoking te genuine weed spread in the reent centuries among Dwarves and other folk, Rangers, Wizards, or wanderers, as still passed to and fro through that ancient road-meeting. The home and centre of the art is thus to be found in the old inn of Bree, The Prancing Pony, that has been kept by the family of Butterbur from time beyond record.

'All the same, observations that I have made on my own many journeys south have convinced me that the weed itself is not native to our part of the world, but came northward from the lower Anduin, whither it was, I suspect, originally brought over Sea by the Men of Westernesse. It grows abundantly in Gondor, and there is richer and larger than in the North, where it is never found wild, and flourishes only in warm sheltered places like Longbottom. The Men of Gondor call it sweet galenas, and esteem it only for the fragrance of its flowers. From that land it must have been carried up the Greenway during the long centuries between the coming of Elendil and our own days. But even the Dunedain of Gondor allow us this credit: Hobbits first put it into pipes. Not even Wizards first thought of that before we did. Though one wizard that I knew took up the art long ago, and became as skillful in it as in all other things he put his mind to.'

*stretches fingers*

 

...so, yes, it is indeed tobacco.