PT Could anything have saved the Jedi from Sidious?

Didn’t you say Anakin already decided to join Palpatine and kill Mace the moment he walked in????

Obviously not...because he was being remorseful....after Palpatine obliterated Mace...saying “What have I done??” Becoming an accomplice in killing Mace.

That has nothing to do with Palpatine being ALL KNOWING. Anankin was still ON THE FENCE so Palpatine had to nudge him his way. Your the one who said Sidious KNOWS Anakin is DESTINED to join him anyways.

So I ask again Why bother kidnapping himself IF Anakin will TURN Anyways ...Why bother saying the Jedi are evil and have a plot to takeover IF Anakin will TURN anyways....Why bother saying He can save Padme IF Anakin will TURN anyways???

You see Palpatine put himself on harms way with his own kidnapping falling on a destroyed ship with War around him JUST to find out IF Anankin was stronger than Dooku and IF he’s willing to kill Obi-Wan....BUT yet the last piece of his plan to finally frame the Jedi Order and finally TURN the conflicted Anakin is unbelievable???

Like I said the moment Anakin arrives Palpatine knows Anakin will not let anything BAD happen to him BUT I didn’t say Palpatine KNOWS Anakin will kill Mace.

Anakin DOES NOT want to kill Mace or Palpatine....he was there TO HELP Mace arrest Palpatine. He was ON the fence. He doesn’t want anything bad to happen to Palpatine BUT he won’t attack Mace either.

So Palpatine made Mace changed from Arrest TO Assassinate.

Once Palpatine was disarmed ...he knows Mace as a Jedi will NOT KILL him because it’s the Jedi Way and he exploited that...And he was right Because Mace didn’t...he said You are under arrest my lord.

When Anakin walked in then Palpatine could just do whatever he wants now...Anakin will protect Palpatine at any cost...because of Padme. But Anakin still will NOT attack Mace EITHER....Hence Palpatine blasted Mace saying YOU WILL DIE!!

What’s the worst that can happen...Mace will change from arrest to assassination??? And thats the point....he wants Anakin to strike Mace....This has nothing to do with Palpatine being all knowing or all powerful.....YOU EVEN said that Sidious KNOWS that Anakin’s FATE IS SEALED TO TURN....so Palpatine has nothing to fear then. He knows Anakin will save him.....it’s for Anakin to attack Mace is what he wanted.

He wanted Anakin to attack his so called Righteous Jedi and cut off his connection with them.

Padme was the lure....showing him the Jedi are evil was the nail in the coffin.

 

In the Jedi temple when he cried. Not the moment he walked in.



So, Anakin didn't know that Sidious lost to Windu yet, but already made up his mind shortly before arriving to the Chancellor's office. Why he is crying? He knows that he shouldn't go there to protect Palpatine. He knows he is wrong to do that and not listening to Windu.

This debunks your theory on; ''Oh Anakin only decides to cut Windu's arm when he sees Windu is trying to kill defenseless old man'', because Anakin knew what he was doing was wrong by going there, which is why he cries in the Jedi temple before seeing what happened.

He was already being remorseful. He was just talking to himself. He continued to act like that in planet mustafar as well. He didn't just decide that when he sees Windu and Palpatine. He decided in the Jedi temple, before even knowing that what happened with Windu and Palpatine. There was no need to see Windu is trying to kill Palpatine, Anakin already showed his true nature first by crying, and then Anakin said ''I need him'' , ''Jedi shouldn't kill'' was an excuse, he simply needed Palpatine for the dark side knowledge, jedi shouldn't kill was just an excuse for him to stop Windu.

Dueling against the Jedi is not a nudge LOL. That's a life depending fight where he could die long before even Anakin arrives. What you don't understand is Sidious had no choice but to fight with Windu and other Jedi at that moment, just like he needed to fight against Yoda, and he couldn't escape from it.

As I said; to kill Dooku and test Anakin. He lied to Dooku that he will stop the fight if Anakin wins, and if Dooku won, he would let Anakin go. Both for protecting Anakin from Dooku if Anakin loses, and if Dooku loses, he could betray Dooku. That's why he kidnapped himself.

Sidious wasn't lying about Jedi, that's what he believes. I've no idea where you are getting this, he is just educating Anakin with his Sith doctrine. He believes Jedi are evil, that's not a lie for Sidious. LOL.

And that's also not lie that Plagueis could save others from dying, that's also educating Anakin with his Sith doctrine, to show what they can do by using the dark side. Again this is another irrelevant argument from you. Sidious believes what he is saying about the Sith, that's his point of view, the Jedi are evil, the dark side is stronger. Sidious wasn't lying, he was educating his apprentice.

Yes, killing Dooku was very important. Dooku is no fool, you need a proper plan to get rid of the Sith apprentice, especially by giving him a proper fight and chance to save his life, if he defeated Anakin, he would get more time to live.

Again as I said, Anakin wouldn't cry in the Jedi temple if he was really going to help arresting Palpatine. He didn't even know Windu was alive, Windu could be dead before he arrives, or the Jedi could kill Palpatine, he didn't know. He cried because he couldn't let Palpatine die, he was going to join him, one way or another. That's the highly possible future that the Son showed it to Anakin in planet mortis, as well as Maul has seen it in his Force vision, Anakin was going to join.

What you don't get is, Sidious wanted to kill Windu, you don't just get between two Jedi, and kill other and attack him without trying to defeat him. So according to your fanfiction, in here Sidious strikes Fisto with a killing blow;



Fisto deflects it, but he also attacks Windu, but he doesn't try to kill Windu while dueling with Fisto at the same time?



But despite holding back against Windu, he still kills Fisto and he still didn't get any hit or strikes from Windu? WOW. The duels in Star Wars is not that easy pal, this is the guy who tried to escape from Yoda, he is NOT going to toy with someone as powerful as Windu like this when there are also other Jedi, especially when they are in this position.

And again, he wouldn't attack Windu with a powerful Force lightning to kill him. Why this is so hard to understand?

1- Windu didn't know that Sidious was going to use Force lightning, how it is guaranteed that Windu was going to block in the right time and with the right angle? Is this a joke to you?





2- The Force lightning that Sidious is using, actually hurting Windu (Windu was screaming in pain). So that means Sidious is really trying to kill Windu, and if Windu dropped his lightsaber he would die.



Again, this ''pretending to lose'' thing doesn't work that way.

 

He was crying at the temple because he wants to save Padme BUT don’t want to be an evil Sith either.

Again if he already decided....then why wait to make a move on Mace???? Mace was distracted with Palpatine...that’s the perfect time to strike Mace.

Its because HE Was STILL ON THE FENCE.

Wanting Palpatine safe but at the same time he doesn’t want to attack a Jedi. That’s bad for Palpatine.

Then you say YOU NEED A PROPER PLAN to kill Dooku BUT yet you don’t NEED a PROPER PLAN to finally turn Anakin and a reason for Order 66???

The most important part of his taking over the galaxy and all of a sudden Palpatine just wings it and goes with flow. LOL

There’s a reason he said the Jedi are planning to takeover.

This duel was the proof to Anakin and the Senate.

Again you’re making it seem like that lightning is all powerful..if that’s the case ....the moment Mace deflected it back then Palpatine would have been obliterated in seconds like with Rey.

Again what does he have to lose with Mace by blasting him??? Anakin is there!! He surely don’t want to be arrested BUT with that move...Anakin will have to get off the FENCE and finally choose OR Mace will kill Palpatine.

 

First you need to understand that Sidious is not lying when he is slandering at the Jedi. He believes Jedi are evil, that's not a lie for Sidious. He is telling the truth for his own point of view, so that's one thing.

Anakin was still crying in mustafar, he was always thought that, he didn't just turn into ''evil Sith'' just because he cut Windu's arm, there is always good in Anakin, although it was very low at some point there is still, which is why he was also crying at mustafar, that's the thing I am trying to explain it to you, Anakin was still Anakin when he cut Windu's arm, but where he decided that? First he cried at the Jedi temple, that's where he decided it, before even seeing what happened between Windu and Sidious.

Sidious's plan already worked, his plan was putting him in the Jedi council, so he could be separated from the Jedi council even more because he knew the Jedi will not like this move. Then when Anakin said his problems with the Jedi council, he revealed his true identity, he didn't reveal his identity so Anakin could snitch his identity to Windu, that's nonsensical. He was expecting Anakin to join him, just like he expected him to leave Obi-Wan at Invisible Hand, he doesn't know everything that Anakin was going to do, he just knew Anakin was going to join, but he didn't know how. Perhaps he was going to die, and then Anakin was going to be Sith, who knows? Everything is possible. The only high possibility is that Anakin was going to join the dark side. He didn't know that he is going to live for sure, perhaps Windu was going to kill him, he couldn't know that.

Yes, he is slandering at the Jedi, he really believes Jedi are evil, and he thinks Jedi are taking over, that's not a lie, that's a truth for Sidious.

Sidious vs. Rey lasted more than Windu vs. Sidious, and Rey used 2 Lightsabers, she couldn't deflect it back with 1 lightsaber, Windu was deflecting it with 1 lightsaber, that's the difference. Plus Sidious's clone body was weaker and he was already wounded, he healed, but he didn't heal fully. His fully healed form would be his pre-Windu fight form. His body wasn't at his full power, what are you expecting from clone body, it's not even original.

You really making excuses for that Force lightning deflection, it's powerful enough to hurt Windu, and Windu couldn't deflect it back in the right time if he wasn't careful, it could kill Windu easily, like it or not. So that alone debunks your theory, but you are still denying it.

 

You’re right, Sidious was NOT LYING how the Jedi are evil.

The point was that Anakin wasn’t believing it ....saying the Sith only cares about themselves while the Jedi are selfless caring about others.

Hence why he had to prove to Anakin that a Jedi will kill someone who just gave up.

And yes ....while Palpatine DOESN'T Know Everything what Anakin is going to do....he does KNOW that he won’t let Mace kill him because of Padme.

The problem is that Anakin was NOT about to attack Mace either.

The whole point for Order 66 and the Empire was BECAUSE the Jedi became rogue and attacked the Chancellor.

That was said before and it was said after of the Mace duel. And that’s the whole point.

Palpatine wanted Mace to attack him. Again, Palpatine has nothing to lose because Anakin is there which will finally make Anakin attack Mace and Have the valid PROOF for Order 66 becoming an Empire for a more secure and better society.

And I disagree with Palpatine being weaker in TROS. He was in the beginning when he was half a corpse BUT even then he easily disarmed and froze the DYAD.

And once he absorbed them he healed up to become as powerful in ROTS. He blasted the entire Rebel Fleet.

And yet he was obliterated in seconds by his granddaughter with no chance to even talk let alone stop firing.

 

He didn't need to prove anything, Anakin was already making excuses to protect Palpatine, I already showed you when Anakin said ''I need him'' just before betraying Windu, it has nothing to do with jedi don't kill thing, Anakin himself killed Dooku when Dooku was unarmed.This is just a funny excuse, it doesn't make any sense.

No, Sidious didn't know Anakin was going to attack Windu, which is why he tried to kill Windu before Anakin going in there. There was no guarantee, this is just another funny excuse for Sidious.

His Dyad power was temporary, both Rey and Ben Solo was alive, they didn't die. So it was a temporary power-up he took from them, and his clone body was still going to decay and he was still going to turn into his old broken body. Comparing original body to a clone body makes no sense. He also didn't blast the fleet, they were fine after a temporary delay. Rey wasn't able to deflect his lightning with 1 lightsaber, she needed 2 lightsabers. Windu did it better, and overpowered him easily. To think that you need Sequels to prove anything shows how desperate you are in this argument.

When Dooku shoots lightning at Kenobi, Kenobi deflected his lightning without getting hit or without screaming in pain like Windu did against Sidious.





VS. this; (two handed Force lightning attack of Sidious, not even one handed like Dooku's)




Do you even follow this argument? You can't be serious about this. Sidious's Force lightning attack was even more powerful than Dooku's best Force lightning. Kenobi deflected Dooku's lightning without a problem and without screaming in pain while Windu was screaming in pain because of Sidious's two handed Force lightning attack, and Windu almost died because of it. Windu could easily die and lose here, there is no pretending, Sidious lost the fight, and he was asking Anakin's help, there is no need make funny excuses for Sidious, especially you shouldn't do that ''Sidious69''.

 

Anakin was there TO HELP MACE ARREST Palpatine.

Anakin was NOT THERE TO KILL MACE.

And that’s the problem. ANAKIN WAS THERE TO MAKE SURE PALPATINE WILL NOT BE KILLED BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE WILL NOT KILL MACE EITHER.

So Palpatine did his lightning to piss Mace off. What’s the worst thing that can happen???? MACE WILL NOT ARREST HIM AND WILL GO FOR THE KILL!!!

HE WANTS MACE TO ATTACK HIM SO ANAKIN WILL FINALLY ATTACK THE JEDI TO PROTECT HIM.

Palpatine HAS BEEN SAYING THAT THE JEDI HAS THIS PLOT TO ASSASSINATE HIM AND TAKEOVER.

So HIS Master plan is to kill the arresting Jedi???? NO THis is a political move since The Opera Scene..

He foreshadowed his PLAN TO THE AUDIENCE SO HE HAS TO SHOW that THE JEDI DID TRY TO ASSASSINATE HIM.

That was the reason to the Senate and the whole galaxy right??.....THE EVIL JEDI ATTEMPTED TO KILL HIM.

So he PLANNED EARLIER ON TO SET IT UP. The Jedi has to LOOK like they are going for the assassination and takeover.

Palpatine HAS TO LOSE!!! That is the whole point IT IS TO SHOW EVERYONE THAT THE JEDI DID TRY TO ASSASSINATE HIM.

You CANT JUST SAY TO THE SENATE AND THE WHOLE GALAXY.....yeah ummm ....The Evil Jedi tried to kill me and takeover the Republic....ummm so I’m ordering the Jedi Extinction and become Emperor!!!!

HE HAS TO SHOW THAT IT REALLY HAPPENED.

But if YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE SAID ANYTHING AND EVERYONE WOULD JUST Go WITH IT.....THEN HE WOULD HAVE EXECUTED ORDER 66 THE MOMENT DOOKU DIED OR EVEN EARLIER.

You need valid reasons for strong claims to execute the whole Jedi Order and to be an Empire.

So it’s 2 fold....He has to Make Anakin strike a Jedi and valid proof for Order 66.

LOSING TO MACE IS A TOTAL SET UP

 

Are you serious Sidious69? Why would Anakin cry if he wants to arrest Palpatine?

You are saying that this guy is crying because he wants to arrest Palpatine...



First time I see, someone is crying because he wants to arrest someone. As far as I see, he is crying because he is not going to listen Windu, because he is smart enough to know that Windu can kill Sidious, and he knows he is doing the wrong thing by not listening Windu and going there to save Sidious. That's why he is crying. This is very easy and simple.

Sidious69, you are really making excuses to defend Sidious, it's ok to defend him since you like the guy, but you don't make any sense while doing it.

Palpatine doesn't need to pretend to lose to show that the Jedi try to assassinate him, the senate will believe whatever he says. And Anakin already made up his mind (joining to Sidious) because he was crying before going to the Chancellor's office.

And you don't have any argument for Sidious's Force lightning attack to Windu, because you know your argument doesn't make sense and you know this, but you are still making excuses for Sidious's defeat. Just deal with this, Sidious is not an unbeatable person, he can lose to other people, several times they said he can lose to other people in TCW, and he lost to Windu. And he was going to die if not for Anakin's help. And Anakin is not an idiot who can't understand if Windu can really kill Sidious or not. But according to you, Anakin is also not smart enough to understand that, but somehow you do understand this thing, it looks like you can see better than Anakin too.

 

LOL I told you I never said he was a God like Rey...hence why he had to PLAN his moves flawlessly.

It’s ACTUALLY ROTS Executive Producer Rick McCullum who said in becoming Sidious...Ian is not a Jedi Master...he’s got to be Even MORE POWERFUL than the Jedi....lol....maybe he’s the Sidious fanboy!! Lol

Again....YOU EVEN SAID that Anakin will join ANYWAYS.

BUT at that time he was there TO MAKE SURE PALPATINE WONT GET KILLED BUT AT SAME TIME HE WAS STILL NOT ATTACKING MACE.

Again, If Palpatine just mentions that he can save Padme AND THIS DUEL HAPPENED THEN .....you can say MACE WON.

BUT Palpatine LITERALLY SPELLED OUT that he is going to FRAME THE JEDI WITH THAT FAKE PLOT AND ASSASSINATION OF HIM.

So HE HAD TO BE IN A POSITION TO BE JUST LIKE THAT.

And you keep mentioning that quote of Anakin saying “I need him” YET you NEGLECT when he said, “HE MUST STAND TRIAL”.....”ITS NOT THE JEDI WAY”

That sounds like a guy who was there to arrest him.

YES Anakin walked in to make sure Palpatine doesn’t die AND TO PROTECT HIM BUT THERES STILL GOOD IN HIM.

He wanted the power to save Padme BUT he’s still don’t want to KILL Mace at the same time.

UNTIL, Mace went for the KILL. That’s when he STRUCK MACE and NOT BEFORE....Not when he walked in ....And NOT during the lightning.

Your the one who assume Anakin and the Senate are idiots.

THEY ALL NEED VALID REASONS ON WHAT MONSTROSITY PALPATINE WILL DO.

IF this was the real world, Trump CANNOT KILL AN ENTIRE RACE AND say it’s because they were a danger to all of us and because he was about to get assassinated. He will have to prove it!! Wether it’s FAKE he still has to SHOW IT.

Padme:
What happened??

Anakin:
The Jedi have tried to overthrow the Republic.

Padme:
I can’t believe that!

Anakin:
I saw Master Windu try to assassinate The Chancellor myself.

Palpatine:
The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed.

Anakin:
I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over.

No excuses....it’s a pure set up all the way!

 

Nope, you can't deal with the fact that Sidious lost to someone, and you are simply making excuses for it. What's the big deal otherwise? And don't tell me that your nickname ''Sidious69'' is just a coincidence also you are defending Sidious in this argument that ''he didn't lose to Windu, he is more powerful etc.'' thing.

Here we go. Of course he is more powerful than a Jedi master, but Windu is not just 'a Jedi master', he is the second strongest Jedi only after Yoda. He is above everyone except for Yoda. I told this to you several times, but you don't understand it. So it's not a coincidence that the strongest Jedi in that room survived until the end, and the strongest Jedi in that room defeated Sidious, people are not going to buy that the idea where Sidious left the strongest Jedi alive in that room on purpose, that's the another thing you don't understand.

If I was really pretending (which makes no sense but let's say I do) then I would leave the weakest Jedi alive, since I wouldn't want any surprises, I would probably left Agen Kolar or Saesee Tiin alive, not the one who is far more powerful than them (Windu), otherwise that's just a very bad plan, because I might not be able to handle the situation if the things goes bad. But that's not how the duels happens in Star Wars, there are no guarantees to win and lose, and everyone knows it, includes Anakin, which is why he believed Windu could beat Sidious, and he knew Windu did. Sidious wasn't pretending.

No it's an excuse. Sidious had no choice but to fight with Windu, he couldn't escape Yoda when he had his clones, and he couldn't escape from Windu even if he wanted. Anakin knew Windu could kill him, which is why he was worried. It's real, it's not a fake the fact that Windu can kill Sidious. Anakin knows it, people knows it.

 

Actually your the one who is more obsessed with power levels.

You acknowledge Sidious as one of the most powerful Force Users and that’s why I have no arguments with you there.

IT’S Palpatine’s mastery of puppets and manipulations that I’m talking about with you.

Losing to Mace is as STAGED as his own kidnapping.

Again If Anakin has totally made up his mind THEN Why NOT KILL MACE the moment he walked in????? Or Kill Mace during the lightning????

So basically YOU are saying:

Palpatine created LIES in the beginning

Then Anakin vows to find the proof

But yet Palpatine doesn’t HAVE any plans to make his LIES a reality so INSTEAD he battles the Jedi..then loses...which ... LUCKILY made His LIES Come True.

LOL

 

Then why did you say ''Sidious didn't lose to Windu'' in this topic when they said he did? They don't ask that question. It's you are trying to prove that Sidious couldn't be defeated by the Jedi. Then don't try to act like you didn't. You himself said Sidious didn't lose to Yoda, which is why he wouldn't lose to Windu as well. You are the one that's using that logic here to prove that Sidious is an almighty unbeatable person in here.

This is your post, you believe no one could beat Sidious. Because ''the most powerful Jedi'' couldn't stand with him according to you.

Then @Sith Lord 2015 said Windu defeated Sidious, then you started make funny excuses for Sidious's defeat against Windu. Don't act like now that you didn't mean that.

I told you, every well trained Sith has that manipulation skills. It's not special to Sidious only. But no Sith is going to lose a duel to a Jedi and make themselves look like weak on purpose, that's insane and illogical. Not only that, I can't even take that seriously because I just proved to you that Sidious didn't give up on fighting with Windu yet after Anakin arrived, he tried to kill Windu with Force lightning, if what's your telling was true, Sidious wouldn't attack Windu with Force lightning because he was just pretending that he was weak and he lost on purpose according to you, but then he decides to attack Windu with Force lightning after pretending that he lost on purpose. As I told you several times, which is why he wasn't pretending to lose at all.

Anakin wasn't going to attack Windu just yet, it was the easier way to save Palpatine's life by making excuses like ''it's not the Jedi way'' so Palpatine could get away with the Senate courts. You've no argument for Anakin's last line to Windu where he says ''I need him.'', because that was the real thing that in Anakin's mind. Not that the jedi doesn't kill thing.

 

No Sith would PRETEND to LOSE to a Jedi???

Even if it LEADS to FINALLY TURNING THE CONFLICTED ANAKIN and to FINALLY having the VALID Reason to the Senate for Order 66 and to become an Empire????

Again Mace DIED in this duel NOT Palpatine.

Ummmm He TOLD the whole galaxy HE LOST because the EVIL JEDI was going to assassinate him.

He became The Emperor with that “lost”.

Maybe the other Sith Lords who doesn’t want to Lose to a filthy Jedi ...maybe should swallow their prides. And that is why they didn’t achieve the success Palpatine has achieved.

 

Yes, why did you act like that before that as if you believe Sidious is not an unbeatable person. You clearly think that no Jedi can defeat him, so you are making excuses for it.

As I told you before, Sidious was already controlling the Senate, he didn't need to show anything to the whole galaxy, they would believe him whatever he says.

And more importantly Sidious did nothing on that scene. He fought, he lost, Anakin saved his life. It's just you want to believe that Sidious wouldn't lose to anyone, so you're making imaginary excuses for it. Which is why you said about that Yoda thing, while I showed where Lucas himself said only Windu or Yoda can compete with Sidious. But you didn't care about Lucas as well. What happened that Anakin knew Windu could kill Sidious, and which is why Anakin was worried, and he went to save Sidious, he saved Sidious from Windu. That's it. While you think this is all Sidious about. No, it's not. Anakin saved Sidious's life, it's really that simple.

 

IF the Senate would blindly follow Palpatine THEN why WAIT to do this in the first place????

Once he spread the JEDI across the galaxy after Episode 2 in this fake war that he created it’ll be the perfect time to execute Order 66.

Heck Anakin WILL TURN Anyways and the Senate will do whatever.

OF COURSE NOT.

He even had to TRICK his way JUST to get EMERGENCY POWERS.

IF the Senate was that spineless... WHY DOES HE EVEN move things around in the shadows???

And Anakin also said ....HE MUST STAND TRIAL

Does that sound like a guy who was going to kill Mace the moment he walked in???

 

I don't know if you are actually following this, he could only turn the Republic into the Empire after Order 66, or the Jedi would stop him. The Jedi needed time to trust the Clones, 3 years is enough for Jedi to trust the Clones, also he was going to get rid of Dooku, the moment Dooku died, he put his plans on action. Why are you now asking irrelevant questions? Why don't you simply admit that Sidious just lost to Windu?

And you're repeating the same questions that I already answered. Anakin was making excuses to save Sidious, that was the easier way. When he had no other choice, he killed Windu. Because he needed Sidious and his dark side knowledge. It's that simple, and you are still making excuses for it.

 

There you go after Dooku died...he puts his PLANS into motion!!

Plans to finally TURN Anakin and to FRAME the Jedi.

ENTER the Jedi Plot....but Anakin wants proof...BUT Palpatine...the MASTERMIND IN ALL SW and ARCHITECT OF THE CLONE WARS ITSELF has NO PLAN at all BUT then LOSES which COINCIDENTALLY WAS THE ANSWER HE WAS LOOKING FOR!!

LOL nope

When Dooku died he could have easily Executed Order 66.

Your saying Mace would still get through...soooo??? You said so your self no one is unstoppable!!! You don’t like Palpatine’s chances 100 Clones plus Palpatine vs Mace???

Surely for a criminal genius like Palpatine...that would be the most advantageous route.

BUT no ....the puppet master INSTEAD decides to have no guards at all and just wait for the Jedi Council to confront him.

SET UP Baby!!!

Ok since you want to compare accomplishments then here you go:

Just the Facts movies ONLY

Here are just POWER accomplishments not counting political accomplishments at all

Palpatine:

- Took on 4 Jedi Council Masters by himself OBLITERATED 3 in seconds and OBLITERATED the other one AFTER USING HIM TO FRAME THE Jedi and TO FINALLY TURN THE CONFLICTED ANAKIN.

- KNOCKED OUT the Most powerful Jedi. Yoda was out cold for seconds.

- Blasted Yoda’s lightsaber out of his clutched hands ( strange he couldn’t do that with Mace....hmmm)

- Throwing Giant Pods with ease

- Made Yoda go into exile (saying it’s a tie is like saying the Dooku/Yoda duel a tie) Dooku is the one who left same as Yoda is the one who left here

- Blasted the new hope Luke Skywalker...no contest whatsoever

- Killed by Vader which also lead to Vader’s death

- Came back from the dead

- The powerful Snoke is actually made by him

- The most powerful Force User is actually his granddaughter

- While handicapped he was still able to disarm, froze and absorb the Dyad

- Once back to full strength...the powerful Ben Solo was no match like Luke in ROTJ

- Blasted the entire Rebel Fleet

- Killed by his granddaughter the new most powerful Force User which ends up killing her too.

Now here’s Mace’s power accomplishment:

- Killed Jango Fett without the use of his Jet Pack


I’m not saying Palpatine is a god BUT I’ll take that resume anytime LOL

Those are just the Facts

 

Why are you still struggling to say the things that you actually want to say? Why are you making weird excuses instead of just saying ''but Windu is weak, he can't beat Sidious so I am finding excuses for it''? You just mentioned here about Windu's power accomplishments. Why? As I said, your true intention is just finding an ''excuse'' because you like Sidious, (your nickname is obvious) and you don't like the idea that Sidious is losing to Windu. I've seen this before many times, people who likes Sidious has done it before, so at least be honest about it.

Rey didn't even have any accomplishment close to that, but he killed Sidious too. So how is that even an excuse?

Sidious himself said Dooku could destroy him if he teamed up with Ventress.


The director of the Clone Wars said Maul and Ahsoka could eliminate Sidious.


Lucas said Windu and Yoda could compete with Sidious and he overpowered Sidious.
"Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber."
--Taken from the Revenge of the Sith commentary

"The actors rehearse in their dressing gowns and then adjourn for final costume adjustments, while Lucas and Knoll continue to examine the footage. When Palpatine easily strikes down Mace's three associate Jedi at the outset of the scene. Knoll says, "Look at this. Mace brought the B-team!"
"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."
--George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204

And no, Windu was already the second best in the Order, better than Anakin and Obi-Wan, that's his title. Better than everyone except for Yoda.

Nick Gillard : ''We didn't see Mace fighting yet, but we know that he is second only to Yoda.''
Source: Star Wars Episode II: Action Featurette (2002)

Windu's power was on par with Yoda.

''A respected Jedi with powers on a par with those venerable Yoda, Mace Windu was a senior member of the Jedi High Council, and his wisdom and judgement were legendary.''
Source: Star Wars Fact File Remake #008 (2014)

 

Wait so are you saying those accomplishments I listed DIDN’T Happen??

Any given Sunday...I get it. It don’t matter if Sidious is the most powerful.

BUT having these dialogues:

Palpatine:

Anakin..you know I’m not able to rely on Jedi Council...if they haven’t included you in THEIR PLOT ...they soon will.


You must sense what I have come to suspect...the Jedi WANTS CONTROL OVER the Republic...THEY ARE PLANNING TO BETRAY ME.


The Sith and the Jedi are SIMILAR in almost every way.


Anakin:

The Sith thinks inwards only about themselves.


The Jedi are selfless...they only care about others.


I’m going to TURN YOU OVER to the Jedi Council.


Palpatine:

Of course you should...BUT YOUR NOT SURE OF THEIR INTENTIONS ARE YOU?


Anakin:

I will QUICKLY DISCOVER THE TRUTH TO ALL OF THIS.

THEN all those to happen which HE gave reason for the Senate Are NOT Coincidence.

IF he would just say I can save Padme and THATS IT then this happened...then it’s no SET UP.

But that Jedi Plot is there Before and then rings way after this fake duel....that’s no confidence.

 

Sidious: ''Anakin Windu can beat me, if he beats me, help me please.''
Anakin: *cries in the jedi temple* , then he decides to help Sidious.

And he saves Sidious from Windu.

You: ''There is a plot. Sidious pretended to lose''.

Yeah sure, the plot was Sidious knew he could actually lose to Windu, because Windu was powerful and Anakin knew that as well, and he asked Anakin's help. The Force lightning thing proves it, Lucas explained it in the commentary.

Lucas: "Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber."
--Taken from the Revenge of the Sith commentary

Palpatine used his ''powers'' to try to destroy Windu, but he failed. No need to make excuses for it.

 

So he set up his own rise to Chancellor

Set up getting on Army and getting Emergency Powers

Set up the WHOLE CLONE WARS ITSELF

Set up his own kidnapping

BUT to set up his rise to Emperor, turning Anakin, and purging the whole Jedi Order.....NOOOO WAY THATS IMPOSSIBLE LOL

Even though it was simply spelled out right there starting with the Opera Scene.

GL was just describing the scene....he was also describing where Greivous Kidnapped Palpatine...so now ITS OFFICIAL GREVIOUS WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO KIDNAP THE DARK LORD.

Palpatine:
The Jedi will takeover and will destroy me

Anankin:
I will quickly discover the truth to all of this

You:
Those are just empty dialogues....don’t pay attention to them ....they are just fillers....just forward to the Mace fight!!! Now He has to face the Jedi alone without any troops for some reason he is not smart enough to call in troops.

Yeah it only worked out at the end For Palpatine BECAUSE ummmmm ...Mace was going to attack him THAT COINCIDENTALLY made all his lies a reality!!!

Because Anakin will turn Anyways wether Mace wasn’t the aggressor OR a dead Jedi.

Palpatine:
Hello Anakin...You see this dead Jedi....he and his posse were trying to kill me...Now join me already!! And kill the rest of your Jedi Family including the younglings.

Anakin:
You had me at hello.

 

There is nothing to debunk in the things that you are saying. There is no doubt about the things that you are saying. That's the huge difference. No one doubts the fact that Palpatine set up his own kidnapping or the Clone Wars. There is nothing to argue in there. That's what you don't understand. No one knew that the fact that Palpatine was the Sith Lord, and Palpatine was perfectly safe in there when Dooku himself knew who Palpatine really was (his own master), Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't know Palpatine's true identity, they were also trying to save Palpatine, when Palpatine was perfectly safe with his own apprentice Dooku. This is not even remotely close situation to a fight where the Jedi is actually threatening and then killing him when they know his true identity. Anakin could be too late to save him from Windu during the duel, then he would die. There was no risk with Dooku, when Dooku himself was Sidious's apprentice.

The director of the movie never said Grievous is powerful enough to kidnap the Dark Lord, you made that up. The director of the movie however actually said that Windu overpowered Sidious, then Sidious ''tried to kill'' Windu by using his own powers, and Windu deflected Sidious's attack. That's what the director said. And then the same director of the movie also said that Windu was the only Jedi other than Yoda, could actually compete with Sidious in a fight. That's the reality, that's not fake. That directly comes from the director of the movie. When you consider these two information that comes from the director himself, it's obvious that he wasn't pretending. And not only this, we know Anakin was worried, because he knew Windu could kill Sidious, otherwise why worry for Sidious at all if Windu can't kill him? This is the third evidence that debunks your argument.

Another thing is, the script has that Sidious tries to cut Windu down, when Windu was pushed back.

''Jedi Master MACE WINDU and the Sith Lord fight their way down the hallway and into the main office area. PALPATINE is able to use the Force to slam MACE against the wall, but he recovers before the Chancellor can cut him down.''
--- Revenge of the Sith Script

Sidious wants to cut him, but Windu was fast enough to recover before that happens. Sidious wasn't fighting defensively against Windu, he wanted to cut him down but Windu was just powerful enough to fight with him. The script is also clear that Sidious tries to kill Windu. So this also debunks the same argument as the fourth reason.

 

Ok but this was from Ian himself when ASKED DIRECTLY .....”DID YOU THREW THE FIGHT WITH WINDU OR DID HE BEAT YOU???”

“But the whole IDEA was to ...once AGAIN..it was a STAGE in TEMPTATION of Anakin...IT WAS FOR HIS BENEFIT “


“But again it was PART of the PROCESS leading to the fact that POOR OLD Palpatine was now GOING to be ATTACKED by this much younger person and Anakin might find that vaguely objectionable.”


So WHAT YOU GOT FROM THAT IS ....IAN MCDIARMID is saying Mace did beat me???

You can ANALYZE AND TWIST all his words from his answers to that fan at any angle you want AND ITS STILL FAR FROM ADMITTING THAT WINDU BEAT HIM. It ACTUALLY leans more that it was a set up.

The story, plot foreshadowing, character, and expositions specifically leads it to a set up.

Palpatine, the ultimate strategist in all the movies planned his biggest LIE YET to FINALLY FRAME THE JEDI and you’re saying he DID’NT HAVE A PLAN to make that LIE possible???

INSTEAD He just wants to fight the Jedi RANDOMLY ....ONLY TO LOSE ....WHICH FINALLY AND COINCIDENTALLY MADE HIS LIE COME TRUE??

 

Don't you think it is possible that Palpatine expects to be confronted at some point, he's already been warping and distorting Anakin, and that this moment is kind of an *all-in* type gamble, in a way? Something the film(and pt) mentions is trust, for both Anakin and Palpatine, and Anakin and the Jedi. It is part of Anakins shift in perspective because he is losing trust in the Jedi(largely constructed by Palpatine), Anakin wants power, and Palpatine is a figure which has "watched out for him...* and is offering him a position of control and powers beyond which the Jedi permit. So I think the outcome is a question mark for Palpatine, and he is betting on Anakins decisions.

 

The only reason the Jedi Knows Palpatine is the Sith Lord is because Anakin told them.

Palpatine has started this whole chain of events. Anakin wants that power BUT still don’t want to be an EVIL Sith so he ratted him out as a GOOD Jedi.

What Palpatine does know is that Anakin would not let him die....BUT at the same time...Anakin was still NOT ATTACKING MACE EITHER. Hence this was his final plan to finally get Anakin OFF THE FENCE and finally choose.

If your read the ROTS Graphic Novel which is BASED ON LUCAS’ story and screenplay. It was obvious on what Palpatine has been doing.