PT Could anything have saved the Jedi from Sidious?

Palpatine was betting on Anakin.

 

Palpatine is a delusional person that doesn't trust anyone. He thinks Dooku can destroy himself, so he doesn't allow Dooku to have Ventress. He thinks Maul could be a rival to himself, he doesn't allow him to have his own Criminal Empire. Palpatine doesn't risk a fight with Yoda, when he realizes Yoda's power, and he tries to escape. Palpatine wouldn't risk his life based on Anakin's decisions. As I explained in the rest of my post, he tried to destroy Windu before Anakin arrived, but he failed. Which proves that he didn't lose on purpose, he lost. Which was the moment that Anakin couldn't allow to happen. Windu's victory against Sidious, forced Anakin to join the dark side.

 

That's up for question. The scenario changes once Anakin enters the picture. Once he does Palpatine sees this as an opportunity. He lets off and allows Mace Windu to become the aggressor, forcing Anakin to choose. Palpatine is betting on Anakin and his own actions of corruption, that he's done enough to twist Anakin to side with him.

 

How is that a question when the director and the script told us that he tried to destroy Windu by using Force lightning after Anakin arrived? Even Ian, who played Palpatine, said that Palpatine wanted to kill Windu earlier, before Anakin. But he failed and he lost. Also, as I said in my post that there is no evidence that he sees Anakin coming to the Chancellor's office, we never see him sensing or seeing Anakin while dueling with Windu.

For example, we know while dueling with Vader, Ben Kenobi looks at Luke in Episode IV, so we know that Ben Kenobi realized Luke in there. I am talking about this;



But we never see Sidious seeing Anakin, or even sensing his presence while dueling with Windu. There is no evidence.

 

Didn't Lucas just comment as per above that he added the bit of Palpatine deciding to act like he was weak when Anakin arrived?

I'm confused what are you arguing?

 

Here simplified:

Anakin was there to HELP MACE ARREST PALPATINE.

HE WAS THERE NOT TO ATTACK MACE or Any Jedi with Palpatine.

AT THE SAME TIME, HE IS THERE TO MAKE SURE PALPATINE DOES NOT DIE.

Yes...Anakin wants the dark side but STILL WAS NOT READY TO KILL HIS JEDI FAMILY....He wants TO PUT PALPATINE ON TRIAL and pump info from him .....Even confirmed by GL quote.

At that MOMENT both Mace and Anakin is on ARREST MODE. THAT IS NOT WHAT PALPATINE WANTS.

Palpatine had to put himself in a POSITION where Anankin has to ATTACK MACE.

PALPATINE WAS NOT RISKING HIS LIFE SINCE he knows

1. Anakin even though on arrest mode.....he knows he will not let Mace kill him.
2. HE STILL HAVE POWER IF THINGS GO SOUTH BECAUSE HE WAS JUST PRETENDING TO LOSE THEM.
3. This is the same guy that after getting DEFORMED just went about back to business like nothing happened to him. That’s the type of guy that’s NOT AFRAID OF LIFE ENDING RISKS.


And for your lightning question....Sidious BLASTED YODA’s lightsaber with ease but yet not With Mace’s??? Why???

 

i think if more jedi would have sensed order 66/ betrayal of the clone troopers, more would have survived and told other jedi to beware. only a small amount of jedi sensed it, such as yoda, ki adhi mundi, ahsoka tano, etc.

 

You mixed the timeline. That's why you are confused. Anakin arrived before Sidious attacked Windu with Force lightning. Anakin was there when Sidious tried to destroy Windu by using Force lightning. The director is talking about when Sidious realized that he lost to Windu, he was pretending to be weak so Windu could spare his life instead of destroying him. Because both Sidious and Anakin knew, Sidious was controlling the senate and the courts, just like Windu said. So Windu also knew Sidious was acting to be weak after losing the fight.

The director didn't say Sidious started to act like weak when Anakin arrived, he said he added that later, that was after Sidious realized that
he couldn't destroy Windu by using Force lightning.

This is the whole thing;

"The actors rehearse in their dressing gowns and then adjourn for final costume adjustments, while Lucas and Knoll continue to examine the footage. When Palpatine easily strikes down Mace's three associate Jedi at the outset of the scene. Knoll says, "Look at this. Mace brought the B-team!"
"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."
--The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204

"Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber. And it always was that Anakin cut the lightsaber out of his hand. But this part where he pretends to lose his power and be weak was something that I added later, 'cause this is, it moved the point where Anakin turns down to this moment right here, and you can see now, that it's very clear that he's, he, he wants him to go on trial so he can pump him for information about how to get these powers."
--Revenge of the Sith commentary

He doesn't say it was when Anakin arrived. That's just a misinformation to make an excuse for Sidious's defeat.

Yup, Yoda was off-guard. Windu could be off-guard like Yoda, is there a guarantee? Windu could die easily. He was screaming in pain, not even Yoda experienced that. You are answering the question with a question. Are you trying to say Sidious didn't try to destroy Windu with Force lightning? The director already said otherwise, Sidious tried to destroy Windu with Force lightning. Simple as that. Don't try to turn this again into ''Sidious didn't lose to Yoda, he wouldn't lose to Windu'' thing, Yoda couldn't beat Dooku in Episode II as well, even though he overpowered Dooku with ease, but Anakin killed Dooku. That doesn't mean Anakin is stronger than Yoda for that reason. It just means he performed against that person better, just like Windu performed better.

There is no joking around with Force lightning, it's an advanced dark side power, even with one handed attack, it could knock the opponent down, like Dooku and Snoke did to Anakin and Kylo. There is a reason why Windu was screaming in pain. And Sidious used two handed Force lightning attack to destroy Windu. The director is clear about this, Sidious tried to destroy him. So he wasn't pretending to lose.

Force lightning already debunks your theory, but I will answer this too.

1. If Sidious knew Anakin is not going to let Windu kill him, then he wouldn't beg or play the weak, he would know Anakin would save him so there was no need to humiliate himself in front of Windu like that. That's not the way to show how powerful the dark side, one moment he says dark side is more powerful, then he acts weak in front of a Jedi, does that make sense to you? It shouldn't.
2. He was weakened, his Force lightning deflected and it wounded Sidious. Sidious was tired and he couldn't continue to shoot lightning when Windu was deflecting it. Look how Sidious acts after Windu dies and after Anakin betrays Windu.



Sidious was really tired. I mean really. Sidious's head hits the ground because of his fatigue. If this guy is not even tired against Yoda, then he was really close to dying against Windu if not for Anakin. Because it's obvious that Sidious was weakened and wounded due to Force lightning deflection, you can see the gif above, the guy shows tremendous fatigue after Windu dies, his head falls into the ground. You can't say this is an act too, because Windu is already dead at this point.

3. As I debunked your theory, this argument is debunked too, because Sidious was really tired and wounded as you can see the gif above. It wasn't an act.

Extra; As I said, Force lightning already debunks the theory, but there are others that you can't answer.

4. Do you have any evidence that Sidious knew Anakin arrived while dueling with Windu? Sidious never looks or shows any sign of sensing Anakin, like Ben Kenobi showed us that he sees Luke while dueling with Vader here;



There is no evidence that even shows us Sidious knew Anakin was there.

5. Sidious would never risk his life for getting an apprentice, how is that going to work? Pretending to be weak, and showing how weak he is, so Anakin was going to join him? That's not the way of showing his power as ''master'', the Sith master should be strong so the Sith apprentice would obey. And that's also contradicting with trying to show that how powerful to dark side is to Anakin, losing to a Jedi is not to way to persuade Anakin that how powerful the dark side is, and how powerful enough to save Padme. If dark side is superior, then it should beat any Jedi. That's a contradiction, which is why Sidious would never lose on purpose to any Jedi, if Anakin said ''you told me the dark side is stronger, but you can't even beat a Jedi'', and Anakin could lose his faith in the dark side after seeing Sidious is losing to a Jedi. That also debunks your excuse and your theory.

6. As I said earlier, there is no deceiving Anakin, after Anakin telling that he doesn't have weaknesses to not kill, and after telling him to execute Dooku. The same guy who told him to execute Dooku is acting weak to deceive him? LOL. That's not going to work on Anakin, that would be hypocritical to Anakin. As I told you, he was trying to deceive Windu, not Anakin. Because Anakin wouldn't believe Sidious's act, Anakin wouldn't care about that as the killer of Dooku. Sidious was trying to deceive Windu, and both Windu and Anakin knew Sidious was acting weak. Anakin is not idiot, and Windu is not too. Anakin knew that but he was trying to trick Windu too, so he could learn the dark side secrets. So Sidious's act wasn't for Anakin, it was for Windu for these reasons.

 

Anakin walks in when mace has Palpatine cornered. Mace has a sabre in his face. Palpatine shoots mace with lightning. Mace blocks it asking Anakin for help. Palpatine reminds Anakin what he holds in the form of power. Palpatine then *lets off/fakes exhaustion*. Mace says he's too dangerous to be kept alive. Anakin takes off Maces hand. Palpatine then shoots mace with lightning out the window.

 

Correction: *Palpatine shoots mace with lightning to try to destroy him* (the director says)

*And Sidious says he is a traitor and he asks Anakin's help after failing to destroy Windu and after Windu deflecting Sidious's Force lightning back, and it was hitting him instead of it hits Windu.

*The script also tells us, Windu pushes Sidious back while deflecting his Force lightning, which is why Sidious was wounded.

''PALPATINE raises his hands, and lightning bolts shoot out. They are blocked by MACE's lightsaber. PALPATINE is pushed back against the window sill.
MACE pushes PALPATINE out to the edge of the ledge. As the Jedi moves closer, the bolts from Palpatine's hands begin to arch back on him. The Chancellor's face begins to twist and distort. His eyes become yellow as he struggles to intensify his powers.''

The director confirmed it, so there is no pretending to lose or anything else.

 

No it went how I said and the comment from Lucas reinforces that. When he's saying he's too weak....he's letting off.

 

What are you arguing for then? If you are going to accept Lucas, then he says Sidious tried to destroy Windu after Anakin arrived, which ends the discussion that Sidious lost on purpose.

 

He only eases off mace when anakin enters the picture. When that happens he wants anakin to make a choice.

 

Ok, then he didn't pretend to lose, he lost earlier, he got disarmed and then he tried to kill Windu with Force lightning, his lightning got deflected.
He wanted Anakin to choose because he wasn't powerful enough to kill Windu.

If he kept shooting his lightning it would destroy himself because of Force lightning deflection, it's the same way how Rey killed him. It make sense that he gives up and he pretends to be weak so Windu could spare his life.

 

You all are putting more thought into this chain of events than Lucas ever did. This is a film for children. Palpatine pretending to be weak is so 8 year olds will go, "No, Anakin. It's a trick." That's why that's there.

Lucas had from 1977 to 2005 to hash out why Anakin would ultimately succumb to the dark side, and he still rewrote the turn in post production of ROTS. He was flying by the seat of his pants and just edited a bunch of stuff together.

 

It could have went either way, who knows. Things shift for palpatine when he sees the opportunity with Anakin.

 

Why could it go either way? Windu disarmed him during the duel and then he deflected his Force lightning right back at Sidious which was meant to be for killing Windu. Sidious was defeated. There was no opportunity as he was already defeated, his only chance was pretending to be weak so Windu and Anakin could spare his life. Of course no one is buying that act, which is why Windu tried to kill him, and Anakin didn't care about that, he only wanted to learn the dark side secrets.

 

If the Emperor kills Mace before Anakin chooses then Anakin will not join him. I've always thought he was playing possum, pretending to lose and even being harmed so Anakin will take his side so he is not killed. Then Anakin can learn the power to cheat death from him.

 

The director confirmed Sidious tried to kill Windu by using his powers after Anakin arrived, so as I said earlier, that really ends the argument as if he pretended to lose after Anakin arrived.

Previously I also said this about using Force lightning, it's not a joke of a power.

About the Force lightning; how can Windu know in that moment Sidious was going to use two handed (not one handed like Dooku) Force lightning, and how can Sidious be sure Windu could deflect it in the right time, and with the right angle to deflect his attack, which was meant to kill Windu? He couldn't. Windu could easily die there, if he didn't deflect Sidious right in time and with the right angle, there was no guarantee that Windu could deflect his attack.

Not only that, Windu was screaming in pain, again; Windu was screaming in pain. Not even Yoda experienced that while deflecting Sidious's lightning. Look at how Kenobi deflected Dooku's Force lightning, it didn't hurt Kenobi. But Sidious actually hurt Windu when Windu barely deflected his attack, it was very powerful and dangerous. Windu could've easily gotten hit by Force lightning just like Anakin gets hit in Episode II. What if Windu was surprised and what if he wasn't expecting to get hit by Force lightning (like Anakin in Episode II), which made him scream in pain even when he was using a lightsaber to block? He could've easily died. Sidious tried to kill Windu with that Force lightning as the director said, he wasn't pretending at all.

And as I said, the director confirmed that Force lightning was for killing Windu, so Sidious wanted to kill Windu after Anakin arrived and when Anakin was there.
Lucas: "Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber.''

Anakin is there when this happens.
Right here;

 

Why would he beg you asked???


It got Anakin to finally attack Mace didn’t it??


Why would Anakin attack Mace if Palpatine wasn’t begging?? During the lightning ...Anakin wasn’t attacking anyone.


The original had NO PRETENDING and Anankin still chose Palpatine THAT IS WHY Lucas CHANGED IT ...To WHERE PALPATINE WAS PRETENDING .....TO MAKE ANAKIN ....TO STILL HAVE GOOD IN HIM.


Key word ....Palpatine is just PRETENDING.


Your still confusing Pretending with begging.


You are saying ... LUCAS SAID Palpatine pretends to BE WEAK because he is WEAK!! What??!!!


That’s like saying he is pretending to be poor Because he is poor!!


Or He pretends to drown Because he is drowning!!!


Lucas said it plain and simple....Palpatine PRETENDS TO LOSE HIS POWER AND BE WEAK......MEANS HE IS NOT LOSING POWER AND WEAK.


That outcome of that lightning MEANS PALPATINE IS JUST PRETENDING.


Same as Ian saying IT’S ALL FOR ANAKIN’s BENEFIT BUT Then you skip that part and says ....Ian says He wanted to kill Mace...where the complete quote is “HE PROBABLY wanted to kill him EARLIER .....Palpatine....HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON”


Did Palpatine sense Anakin’s arrival you asked??


Well after Mace kicked him and disarmed him...what did Palpatine do??? Well he did his acrobatic skills and speed using his telekinesis and lightning to attack Mace.....OH WAIT!! NO HE DID NOT.....he just COWERED IN THE CORNER....WAITING FOR SOMEONE....He did not attack Mace UNTIL Anakin walks in and AFTER SAYING “I was right the Jedi are taking over!”


He can sense Anakin in danger planets away BEFORE IT HAPPENED. Surely buildings away he can sense him.


BUT since you keep downplaying Palpatine’s abilities EVEN THOUGH his clairvoyance is above average than any character in the movies......SO LETS THROW THAT OUT FOR NOW....BECAUSE....


....Wether he sensed Anakin or not ...he KNEW he was coming...it’s easily deducted...his life coincides with Padme’s life. So he just waited until Anakin arrived. Which he did when he JUST Cowered in the corner....he knew Mace is just going to arrest him....so he didn’t do his lightning UNTIL Anakin is at his corner.


Now why would he pretend to be weak to get an apprentice....which disproves to Anakin that the Sith couldn’t even beat a Jedi???


That’s actually what I asked when I first saw this movie!!! It’s the second showing is when I realized...yup it’s a set up.


Palpatine did offer him this power AND ANANKIN STILL TURNED HIM DOWN.


Why??? Why would he rat him out to the Jedi also???!! Why you silly Anakin ?? Mace fans already said Palpatine had you at hello!!! Why oh why prolong the fore play??


ITS Because even though Anakin wants this power HE STILL DOES NOT WANT TO BE EVIL AND ATTACK HIS JEDI FAMILY.


SO PALPATINE HAD TO LURE HIM ANOTHER WAY.


Plus for 13 years ....Anakin Never seen Darth Sidious....the arrogant condescending evil mastermind.....he only knows Palpatine....the nice old Senator turned wise Chancellor.....BIG DIFFERENCE!! Palpatine has been PRETENDING WEAKNESS since TPM as a harmless Politician. Only at the end ....Vader realized who The Emperor really was.


“Do NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWERS OF THE EMPEROR.....OR suffer your FATHER’S FATE you will.”

Yoda to Luke


Here.... I’ll let Ian Mcdiarmid answer :


“But again it was part of the process leading to the fact that POOR OLD Palpatine was now GOING to be Attacked by this much younger person and Anakin might find that vaguely objectionable.”


And you said he was begging to Mace....then why didn’t he beg to his granddaughter???


He didn’t even have time to beg right??? because once his lightning hit him he was obliterated in seconds.. hmmm....seems like he was GOING ALL OUT WITH someone COMPARED to the other one.



And you keep quoting how Palpatine wants to kill Mace well the NOVEL SPELLED IT OUT ON WHAT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME:


Palpatine sits in his office. Right before the Jedi Masters enter to confront him..Palpatine ACTIVATES A SECRET AUDIO RECORDER IN HIS DESK.


Palpatine:

Why, Master Windu, what a pleasant surprise.


Mace:

Hardly a surprise, Chancellor. And it will be pleasant for neither of us.


Palpatine:

I’m sorry?? Master Fisto, hello. Master Kolar, greetings. I trust you are well. Master Tiin I see your horn has regrown ; I’m very glad. What brings 4 Jedi Masters to my office at this hour?


Mace:

We know who you are. What you are. We are here to take you into custody.


Palpatine:

I beg your pardon? What I am? When last I checked, I was Supreme Chancellor of the Republic you are sworn to serve. I hope I misunderstand what you mean by custody Master Windu. It smacks of TREASON.


Mace:

Your under arrest.


Palpatine:

Really, Master Windu, you cannot be serious. On what charge?


Mace:

You’re a Sith Lord!


Palpatine:

Am I?? Even if true, that’s hardly a crime. My philosophical outlook is a personal matter. In fact - the last time I read the Constitution, anyway - we have very strict laws against this type of persecution. So I ask you again: What is my alleged crime?? How do you expect to justify your mutiny before the Senate?? Or do you intend to arrest the Senate as well??


Mace:

We’re not here to argue with you.


Palpatine:

No you’re here to imprison me WITHOUT TRIAL. Without even pretense of legality. SO THIS IS THE PLAN, at last: The Jedi are TAKING OVER THE REPUBLIC.


Mace:

Come with us now.


Palpatine:

I shall do no such thing. IF YOU INTEND TO MURDER ME, you can do so right here.


Mace:

Don’t try to resist.


Palpatine:

Resist? How could I possibly resist? THIS IS MURDER, You Jedi TRAITORS! How can I be a THREAT TO YOU??!! HELP!! Security!! HELP ME!! MURDER!! Treason!!


Yup that sounds like a guy that DEFINITELY WAS NOT PLANNING TO LOSE AND BE THE VICTIM SINCE THE BEGINNING!!


LOL


It was just a COINCIDENCE THAT PALPATINE LOSING FINALLY GAVE HIM VALID REASONS TO ANAKIN AND THE SENATE.

 

Use paragraphs, people hardly understands what you are saying.

Sidious had used the Force to try to knock Windu out before according to the script. The RotS Script;
''Jedi Master MACE WINDU and the Sith Lord fight their way down the hallway and into the main office area. PALPATINE is able to use the Force to slam MACE against the wall, but he recovers before the Chancellor can cut him down.''

Using the Force didn't work as well. I told you this before but you are not reading the evidences that proves Sidious wasn't pretending to lose.

I think it was very easy to understand what I was saying;
- If Sidious knew Anakin was going to protect him, and if he knew Anakin was going to join the dark side, then there was no need for begging or acting, all Anakin needs to see Windu is cutting Sidious down, that's it. But Sidious was begging and acting to be weak because he didn't know what Anakin was going to do. And Sidious would never risk his life for getting an apprentice, that again, makes no sense. The guy lost, and he did whatever he could to survive. You on the other hand making up excuses and pretend like Sidious sees everything in the future, he knew Anakin was going to join for sure, which is why he begged? It makes no sense.

Ian never said Sidious made that for Anakin's benefit. You are making things up out of nowhere. He said it was for Anakin's benefit, that doesn't mean Sidious did that by himself. Ian even said Sidious wanted to kill Windu earlier before Anakin, why is that so hard to understand?

And it's really irritating that you think Anakin is an idiot, who gets deceived by Sidious's funny weak act, no one is buying that act. Not unless he is an idiot, and he is not an idiot. Anakin is not going to fall for Sidious's weakness act, he is a smart person. As well as Sidious is not naive enough to think that he can deceive Anakin by acting weak. He was acting weak, so they would, (mostly Windu) spare his life. Anakin wouldn't buy that act, he know Sidious told him to kill Dooku. Sidious acting weak so Windu wouldn't execute him, so Windu could arrest weak Palpatine. That was the Sidious's initial plan. If Windu accepted that, they were going to arrest Sidious.

So you are telling me not Sidious knows everything, he also know Windu was not going to arrest him, and he can read Windu's mind? Are you kidding me? Sidious is not seeing every single detail in the future, how can you even believe that? Sidious didn't know Windu was going to execute him. If Windu decided to arrest him, Anakin would be ok with it, and Sidious would go to jail until the Senate courts sets him free. So no, Sidious didn't see Windu is going to execute him, he wanted them to arrest himself, he doesn't see everything in the future. That's also why he tried to destroy Windu by using Force lightning after Anakin arrived, but you are repeating the same things without reading anything.

 

Ian never said that???

Are you forever going to ignore even his own quotes like you do with the actual movie and just forward to this fake duel??

Ian’s exacts words:

Ian Mcdiarmid:

“But the whole IDEA was to ...once AGAIN..it was a stage in TEMPTATION of Anakin...IT WAS FOR HIS BENEFIT.”


“And of course Windu was going to have to die ....he PROBABLY WANTED to kill him EARLIER... Palpatine...he knew what was going on ...and he’d been publicly defied”


“But again it was part of the process leading to the fact that POOR OLD Palpatine was now GOING to be Attacked by this much younger person and Anakin might find that vaguely objectionable.”

Do you really think HE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION TO THE FAN WHO ASKED IF HE THREW THE FIGHT or did Mace beat him and from the words he said above....And what you got is He admits that MACE Did BEAT HIM????

The NOVEL specifically states IT WAS A SET UP FROM THE BEGINNING.

But all the Mace fans just wants to ignore the dialogues in the movie And just forward to this fake duel so they can give a PARTICIPATION TROPHY to Mace who died in vain.

I bet your one of them that said Super Mace survived and was so disappointed that Rey the most powerful is not a Windu BUT a Palpatine and that Palpatine can come back from the dead also Hahahaha

 

Use paragraphs.

Where does Ian say Sidious prepared that stage on his own, explain it. He doesn't say anything about it. He says it was a stage. When will you understand that just because he says it was stage that doesn't mean Sidious alone prepared it. And you are not being honest by using this, because Ian himself said Sidious wanted to kill Windu earlier, which debunks this theory from the beginning, because you think Sidious wasn't trying to kill Windu, that's what you say, and then you quoted a guy who says Sidious wanted to kill Windu earlier, so Anakin thing would never happen if Sidious killed Windu earlier. So that debunks your theory and that wasn't Sidious's plan from the beginning, the guy literally says there was no plan, and Sidious wanted to kill Windu earlier, before Anakin arrives.

There is also Force lightning debunks your theory, but you still repeating this with knowing it's not true.

 

Ian was answering the question of wether he threw the fight or not.

He WAS NOT ASKED IF ....oh so what do you think of Anakin’s Turn?? OR WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ANAKIN’s STAGE AT THAT MOMENT????

NO!!! He was asked wether he threw the fight or did Mace beat him!!! Plain and simple QUESTION AND Ian ANSWERED IT SIMPLY. It was for Anakin’s benefit!!! READ THE WHOLE QUOTE!! And while your at it Read the book and pay attention to all the dialogues.

As for your Lightning question....LUCAS SAID HE WAS PRETENDING.

Lucas wouldn’t USE THAT WORD PRETENDING IF HE DID NOT MEAN PRETENDING.

You DO NOT PRETEND TO BE WEAK BECAUSE YOU ARE WEAK.

With your logic....Someone can pretend to be drowning because he is drowning!! Lol

You want to know how to deflect a real lightning......REY PALPATINE BABY!! She accomplished what Mace can only dream of!! With Rey....he doesn’t even had time to PRETEND TO BE WEAK. YUP ALL COINCIDENCE!!

 

I for myself can definitely say I'm not a particular "Mace fan", nor am I an enthusiastic Sidious fan. In fact I'm pretty neutral on that situation. But still, I see what I see on the screen. And it's pretty obvious that Mace DID defeat Sidious in that scene. He would definitely have won had Anakin not interfered.
Why are you even making a scene here and try to make this thread into a Sidious vs. Mace popularity contest?
It's pretty clear to anyone who watched the movie that Mace won the duel. Even Force lightning couldn't save Sidious from Mace's lightsaber, which he would have used the very instant Sidious paused for even a split second with his lightning. He quite obviously was very tired and drained of his energy by not only using that lightning but also having it backfiring at him, further weakening and disfiguring him. That definitely was no act. Windu would have won, period.
As for Sidious counting on Anakin saving him, that was a HUGE gamble on his part. There is no way he could have been absolutely sure Anakin would change his mind and leave the Jedi temple, or even if he was sure, had Anakin been even 20 seconds late Windu would have done Sidious in without any hesitation.
Sure, the gamble worked, because the plot already was there and fixed, and they had to follow it no matter what in order for the OT to exist.
But from a purely logical point of view there was no way Sidious could have been that sure about Anakin's actions. Anakin himself wasn't sure what to do when he flew to Sidious' office. He certainly hadn't planned on helping kill Windu. It was a split-second emotional and instinctive reaction, not a rational or planned one. It could easily have turned out differently. It didn't because the story was already set in stone by the OT.
Master planner or not, Sidious was neither all-powerful nor invincible. And in this case he LOST, is that so hard to understand? He also lost in ROTJ and died due to his arrogance and overconfidence in Vader. He misjudged his apprentice of 30 years and paid the ultimate price.
Don't get me started on the ST where he was cloned. Apparently Disney was scared to death of offending some of the fanboys who needed every single OT character to make a reappearance. Fan service at its worst. The Emperor DIED in ROTJ, so let him stay dead already!
Same with Ripley in Alien Resurrection. She died in Alien 3 but Hollywood just couldn't resist ***cking things up by contradicting the previous movie. For ****'s sake, let dead people stay dead already and stop bringing them back to life with some lame excuses!!