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Discussions Could there be anything left from the culture of the Kumumgah on Tatooine?

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Darth Caliban, Jan 14, 2022.

  1. Darth Caliban

    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    Wonder how much Kumumgah culture changed and how much of it might be left in the Jawas and Sandpeople. And how the change may have exactly happened and over which amount of time?

    And could there be anything left at all from their beautiful cities on Tatooine?
     
  2. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Not likely, the kumumgah evolved into two distinct subspecies, while the world they inhabited was completely destroyed by the Rakata.
     
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  3. Darth Caliban

    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    I doubt that the Rakata glassed the entire planet. No one and nothing could have survived, in that case. Guess there must have been at least a few regions that weren't destroyed by the Infinite Empire.

    That's why i wonder if there are possibly still some artefacts and hidden ruins from the Kumumgah on Tatooine.
     
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  4. Darth Caliban

    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    And how long would it have taken for the Kumumgah to become Sandpeople and Jawas?

    What happened during this period and what was the process being like?
     
  5. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Great topic idea!

    Well the answers you seek are basically in ANH itself already:

    The Kumumgah as you already noted survived the Rakatan onslaught on their world barely. Where and how we do not know, but I guess some went underground or were offworld and returned after the nuclear mayhem. Maybe the Rakata made the Kumumgah watch the destruction from space and only later some Kumumgah slaves returned to Tatooine after the slave revolts ruined the Rakatan Infinite Empire.

    We know Tusken and Jawas exist offworld, but due to later parties moving them off Tatooine. Like using Jawas for junk reduction on other worlds, or the Tusken tribe that lived on Sullusts moon Sulon from the Dark Forces: Jedi Knight game. Maybe others existed elsewhere and evolved into a different species since the Rakatans took them off as slaves?

    On Tatooine, there were two groups of survivors that evolved separate from each other due to lack of contact and different survival strategies. Those Kumumgah that went underground seeking shelter in caves deep in the crust evolved into the Jawas. Diminished height and glowing eyes for nightsight being their prime evolutionary differences due to having existed in darkness for centuries if not millennia before returning aboveground when radiation levels dropped. By nature of living underground they only had limited tech they could have brought with them down there, so scavenging and recycling everything is necessary for survival and became their prime trait. There is no replacing any of the tech if they lost some.
    Those who survived aboveground in far remote regions that saw less dense bombardment evolved into the Ghorfa, later nicknamed Tusken Raiders and Sand People by the settlers that invaded their space and Tatooine for they raided Fort Tusken. The Ghorfa sought shelter not underground but on mountaintops where nothing of interest probably lead to less bombardment by the Rakata. Living high up and farming what they could they were peaceful as the lower lands were full of radiation, glass and through erosion slowly more and more sand. When settlers from offworld came to their Tatooine, taking more and more than they were offerend in trade, they fought them and became unwillingly Raiders and stigamtized as warriors they originally were not at all. These are a native american analogue and only through betrayal had to go to war, not by nature. Not all clans went to war either, some remained remote from the settlers living their lifes. These Tusken Raiders, Sand People, Ghorfa, kept the height of the Kumumgah and in order to survive radiation and the increasing winds and erosion had to cover their skin shielding them from the sun and heat. Their culture evolved accordingly developing traditions around the covering and uncovering, as well as survival in the sands, farming it even, as even their mountains got eroded and sand reached up high to cover them.
    When Ghorfa and Jawas made first contact, they barely recognised each other as the same species but it may have dawned to them over time maybe. Still they kept mostly apart unless they intruded in each others territories or needed something to survive.

    Whatever is left of the Kumumgah is burried either deep in the sand, or has been altered by time and necessity with their cultural changes.

    The tv show "The 100" shows in some seasons nicely how a planet and people change and evolve.
    Some survived in bunkers underground, others on top adapted to radiation
    it even ends with Earth a Tatooine like environment.
     
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  6. Darth Caliban

    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    Thank you!

    Depending on the material they used to built their cities, i think it may be possible that erosion and geological changes may not have destroyed everything in possibly unharmed regions. Some ruins might still exist under the dunes.

    Another clue that not the entire planet was destroyed lies in the fact that there's still a functional ecosystem and that the Banthas for example are herbivores.

    But i wonder, in the case the Kumumgah used a material as stable as plasteel or duracrete, in what condition these ruins or whatever is possibly left of these cities might be, considering that apparently there are still foundations from early buildings on the lowest levels of Coruscant for example.
     
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  7. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This occurred over a process of 26,000+ years. In evolutionary terms, that's very brief but does allow potentially for speciation into distinct subspecies.
     
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    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    That's true. But there's still another thing i wonder about.

    Wouldn't at least some of the survivors have the knowledge and the technical skills to repair and maintain the buildings? At least enough for people to live in them?

    Considering that there are towns from later periods, when the colonists arrived, that are still around after millennia like Anchorhead for example.
     
  9. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well consider that the rakatan empire collapsed, disconnecting Tatooine off from the galaxy, also consider that the bombardment was devastating enough to wipe out oceans, turning them to sand. Leaving a biosphere that was probably reduced by more than 99%(frankly it’s amazing banthas and krayt dragons survived at all).

    The Kumungah would have had an existence at the margins, with no room for error or luxury, as resources were scarce and every day a fight just to live.

    The Tuskens became nomadic, and the Jawas seemed to cluster in caves and crevasses, my guess is any technology that wasn’t annihilated was cannibalized and it’s use stretched out beyond its limit.

    Building towns and holding on to any knowledge or technical skills that were not absolutely essential-would have been suicidal, in such conditions. So I suspect any tech or knowledge the Kumungah had, or the overwhelming majority of it, was lost.
     
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    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    By the way, considering that Old Republic anthropologists knew a bit about the Kumumgah, their culture, their advancements and their conquest by the Rakata, were there possibly some successful archaeological digs on the planet and what might they have found during these excarvations?
     
  11. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don’t see why not, but given Tatooine was outside of the republic and the world and its region of space not the most safe, I suspect that any research into the planet’s history or that of its people was fairly limited.
     
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    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    Darth Caliban Jedi Master star 4

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    Here's a new and better working link to the artwork: