Books CRUCIBLE by Troy Denning: The Official Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

The highlighted section is...disturbing. First you say "yea its fine" that we see genocide?! Then you say sexual abuse is an epidemic and not enough people realize it's bad? Who doesn't realize its bad? What about the millions of people who die every year from genocide and war? I think we have a serious problem with statements like this.

 

I am 22. I am a student of history and I know societies age of consent, and age of adulthood change all the time and are in fact different between cultures. Since this is an American forum, most of us view this sort of thing through an American Puritan perspective. Moral relativity is the key concept I am trying to get across. Anyways I don't come to a Star Wars forum to get into real world philosophy and cultural perspectives on morality. I just wanted to give my opinion that I agree with Fatsmel on this issue.

 

I find myself agreeing with most of this. But I don't think that, specifically, attractive women in their 20's pleasuring teenage boys is really a big issue.

If the ages were a bit different, or genders reversed, you'd better believe I'd find the scene grossly inappropriate.

 

I find myself agreeing with most of this. But I don't think that, specifically, attractive women in their 20's pleasuring teenage boys is really a big issue.

If the ages were a bit different, or genders reversed, you'd better believe I'd find the scene grossly inappropriate.

 

You've completely missed the point. If you have to change parameters to make it seem wrong then you've already forfitted the argument.

Likewise if you insist that you are allowed to change the parameters however you want, but others aren't.

You're altering of the genders and claiming that it proves the point, whereas saying that altering of different parameters is invalid because "We're not talking about" it, you've gone fully blown hypocritical

 

That's the most bassackwards thing I've ever heard. Flipping the genders creates a context by which you might...might, I stress, be able to understand the argument. That is because the question is not gender related. It's age and consent related. I'm astounded this is a thing that needs to be pointed out.

And, at risk of overstepping my bounds, perhaps we should stick to Crucible. This topic is something of a trigger.

 

No, it's a challenge for you to see that the situation is problematic across the board, regardless of gender. Just because common humor is men and boys are horny so any and all sexual advances, wanted or unwanted, must be okay and they really did want it deep down...this is incredibly wrong.

 

Yeah, no. Hells no. That attitude is, like, fractal grossness or something.

That's not just ew. It's ew at every conceivable level of resolution. Zooming in on any part of that attitude finds stuff exactly as ew as the entire attitude.

 

I thought Jaina killing Jacen was also devoid of emotional consequences? It's not as if the stuff Denning has in his books informs characterization.

 

That's why I said that I agree somewhat. I can see where people think it's inappropriate that the scene was brushed off, and that it sets a "bad example" in a certain sense.
But I still don't think more any than other scenes of violence, death etc.

If you say so.

why? that is a huge assumption, and very culturally dependent.
I'm astounded that this needs to be pointed out.

 

Maybe we should stop passing judgement on each other and just move on...

 

Attack the argument, not the poster.

 

So, um, Crucible?

 

I agree they're both wrong. So is mass murder. That's kind of the point I'm making.

And the point you've still missed is that you're assuming Gender isn't just as important a consideration as Age.
Which I can understand if you've been brought up in twisted American culture.

 

I agree wholeheartedly this convo has gotten very uncomfortable.

 

When people advocate that child molestation and sexual harassment is fine and cool, and defend that viewpoint with a straight face against any and all challenge, yeah...things tend to get uncomfortable.

 

So what did people think of Biots?

 

Don't attack the poster, attack the argument

 

great, so we agree.

Another personal attack on a poster? No.

 

I think they're stupid.
And they weren't given enough background or explanation. They were just sort of there.
We needed more depth into what they are, how they work and why

 

I don't envy you, Ulicus.