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Discussion Daisy Ridley (Rey Skywalker) in Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Star Wars film

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk, Apr 7, 2023.

  1. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    See, Daisy? That's what happens when you break an NDA to tell your husband, they have to fire the writer and start from scratch!
     
  2. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    And all because Daisy wanted to play Call of Duty all weekend long. "You want to play Call of Duty all weekend long well then you are just going to have to tell me everything". " Fine!".
     
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  3. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  4. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    Not sure what the purpose of bringing him up was. We all know what the state of YouTube is these days and how many folks on there are getting their clicks.
     
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  5. FredH

    FredH Jedi Grand Master star 1

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    I am purely speculating, but as more and more time passes and more and more projects either fall by the wayside or are infinitely delayed in development hell like this one, I start to wonder if it’s a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good — hesitating and hesitating to get this or any other project JUST RIGHT in a way that won’t attract criticism… which is impossible. I start to wonder if, heck, maybe Kathleen Kennedy herself should just say, “You know what? Heck with this — let’s just do X - XII, with this new story treatment here I just wrote myself, now get going!” I realize it doesn’t work like that.
     
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  6. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Because, I suspect, that would probably destroy the franchise. It comes back to notion that they need a single ‘creative’ person who is shaping Star Wars going forwards… and that can’t be Kennedy. To be fair to her, rumour has it that Kennedy has tried to get that person in, but it’s not worked out. Maybe Jon or Dave are the answer (???), but we’ll have to see how the Mando films goes,,.
     
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  7. Mostly Handless

    Mostly Handless Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    IMO this notion of needing a ‘single creative vision’ for the franchise, whether that vision comes from George, KK, Dave Filoni, or anybody else is the problem.
    The beauty of the old EU was that it contained many different ‘creative visions’ of what Star Wars could be, and Star Wars was stronger for it. That’s why we have stuff like the Thrawn Trilogy, the KOTOR games, or even the 2D animated clone wars cartoon that gave us versions of star wars that were different but still popular.
    Personally I think Lucasfilm needs to unclench a bit, stop worrying so much about the need for ‘visionary’ creatives, and focus on making sure that they’re making good films/tv shows.
     
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  8. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Star Wars is a franchise, its very much dependant on its continuity and lore. So you can't really have people just doing what they want. And its even worse now since the video games and in theory, the books too are canon. So there is a lot of baggage attached to Star Wars to just say hey tell whatever story you want.

    But at the same time, id say its clear they do want different types of stories with Star Wars. likely different types of tones too. Which won't be for everyone.
     
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  9. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    They are different beasts… and I’d argue (as a long time consumer of EU) that a big percentage of EU is not particularly good… with some of it being ok and some of it being great. In terms of live action, specifically films, I don’t think a franchise can survive that inconsistency of approach/quality.. and if the films are to have ‘connectivity’, then I firmly believe that they need to have the continuity of a singular vision… certainly in the short term. Disney Star Wars is like the best example of doing something in a disconnected, disparate fashion. And that approach has done much more harm than good to the IP… IMO.
     
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  10. DarkLordoftheFins

    DarkLordoftheFins Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I agree. Actually the approach of Star Wars feels outdated. While everyone builds franchises on building up story over several movies and has a long term plan, they didn’t know what Episode IX would be when shooting VIII. Palpating somehow returned. Without a hint of him for two movies. Stuff like that feels a bit 1995. Work from sequel to sequel as if they didn’t know they would do Episode IX. The whole advantage of the “make is x movies of x years” approach Disney takes is you could create a long term plan.
     
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  11. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I think the concept of having a plan is really new age MCU thinking. Lucas did not have a plan for the OT he was making that up as he went alongm The PT had direction but thats because it was a prequel that had to end a certain way to line up. Obviously things like Boba Fett potentially being Anakins half brother wasnt a thing and he become a Clone instead. Lucas in many ways just got away with it. Which id say is more down to his passion than consistancy
     
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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I never liked Lucas not having a plan and neither did many of the people who worked for him, some made comments about how difficult it was to work there with him constantly changing his mind, so that is something I had hoped would change when Disney took over. I also hoped that, of all the old EU to draw from, they would not choose Dark Empire or the post-NJO, but here we are.
     
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  13. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Lucas changing his mind is called creative freedom. He is able to do that.
     
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  14. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Never had a plan? You get that Lucas had to write Star Wars from the ground up? He had no comics, novels or ‘earlier films’ to base it on. Lucas had just as much a ‘plan’ for Star Wars as Tolkien had for Middle Earth or JK Rowling had for Harry Potter. I think you’re confusing a ‘plan’ with a script or novel that has no deviation from first iteration to the last. Not the same thing. Lucas most certainly had a ‘plan’ in terms of how he wanted to make his films and where he ultimately wanted to take the characters and story… I.e a strategy, but it grew organically like most episodic stories do. However he was one man with consistency of approach.
     
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  15. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Lucas could have planned out 3 movies worth of story. He didn't need comics, novels or whatever. Lucas had plenty of ideas in 1977, most of them didn't get used. Others were changed completely and most were just made up by each movie like Leia being Luke sister.

    Even by the time of the PT there were plenty of books and novels. To lucas most of that wasn't canon anyway and he was creating something new that had to connect to the OT. The part where he had to connect to the OT is the part is knew, but a lot of details were made up on the spot. While his passion to rhyme story beats is a big part of his story telling

    Lucas didn't have a plan. Vader wasn't originally meant to be Lukes father. Leia wasn't originally meant to be Lukes Sister. Potentially it was up in the air if Han would be back for ROTJ.
     
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  16. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    He did plan out 3 movies worth of story but Disney went in a different direction. Imagine that. Disney was given story treatments for the ST by The Maker himself and they said: "Nah, we're gonna do something different."
     
  17. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Just ideas not anything planned.
     
  18. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    You really are incredibly ill informed… You understand that having a ‘plan’ is not the same as having every story beat locked down years in advance right? If I have a plan to drive to London on the M1 and I end up taking a route down an A road instead, the destination is still the same… the plan is still a plan to get me to London. The ST was just working on release dates.

    For example… have a look at this… Mark Hamill taking about the *PLAN* for the prequels BEFORE even ROTJ came out circa 1982… Notice how Hamill states that in the 3rd film of the prequels (which would be ROTS) Luke would be about 5 or 6 years old. This is a great example of where there’s deviation from what he talks about, but ultimately the destination is still the same… that’s a plan.


    Now please let that be enough of your badly formed opinion on this matter…
     
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  19. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    A shame as Knight is actually a good writer.

    Hopefully he’s replaced with someone even better, like Beau Willimon.
     
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  20. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    How about they hire some good female writers for a female character.
     
  21. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Good female writers yes... However, give them the opportunity to write a film from top to bottom, not just as 'contributors' to a character. But it has to be about a strong story with a worthwhile central premise.... otherwise you're lining up writers to fail.
     
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  22. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    The premise is already there.
     
  23. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    The key word is 'worthwhile'... the most base of films typically have a premise.
     
  24. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Technically they did use SOME of his ideas:
    -A Jacen Solo-like character (named Skylar) turning evil.
    -Luke becoming jaded and going into hiding on the Jedi homeworld.
    -A new young female protagonist (either named Theia or Winky) who Luke then trains.
    -Someone other than Luke or Anakin being revealed to be the chosen one (Leia in Lucas’s case, Rey in Disney’s case).
    -Junk world.
    -The character who would become Snoke.

    Things from Lucas that Disney threw out:
    -Darth Talon.
    -New crime syndicate run by Maul (instead of imperial remnants).
    -The Whills.
    -The heroes visiting “a microbiotic world.”
    -The big flowers planet (felucia, iirc).
    -Luke dying in 9 instead of 8.
    -Leia surviving (not really their fault tho).
     
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  25. Force Nexus

    Force Nexus Jedi Master star 4

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    From Lucas' own words, from the outline that he personally described in 2019 to Paul Duncan for The Star Wars Archives 1999-2005 book, that's not the case. Lucas said that Luke would successfully rebuild the Jedi Order. He said that he would look for 3-year olds and reach out to the Jedi survivors, whereas Leia would successfully rebuild the Republic and become the chancellor. Lucas also famously said that Disney did not want to use any of his stories, and Bob Iger later confirmed this in his book.
    Leia wasn't the Chosen One of the prophecy. She was chosen one to restore the Republic. It's a word play. She was the chosen one to be the Chancellor and leader of the New Republic. Leia was not conceived by the midi-chlorians to destroy the Sith. Anakin still remained that, and Palpatine never returned to undo that in Lucas' sequels, only for Disney fanfic OC to steal his arc.
     
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