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Saga Darkest to most lighthearted star wars film.

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Jangounchained1990, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. TheMoldyCrow

    TheMoldyCrow Jedi Master star 3

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    ROTS
    R1
    TFA
    ESB
    AOTC
    ANH
    ROTJ
    TPM
     
  2. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Darkest to Lightest:

    ROTS
    TESB
    Rogue One
    ANH (Luke's guardians get incinerated, there's a planetary genocide killing billions, Obi-Wan maims a dude in a bar fight and Solo wastes a guy under the table and they torture Leia with that super ***ked up looking droid)
    TFA (Could flip this with ANH..Han's death was dark, but SKB was hard to take seriously)
    AOTC
    TPM


    Seriously - I can't believe so many people think ANH is the "lightest" film... maybe we've all just seen it too many times. There's really a lot of messed up stuff that happens in ANH
     
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  3. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    Dark to Light
    RotS
    ESB
    R1
    AotC
    TFA
    ANH
    TPM
    RotJ

    RotS was easily the darkest. There was nothing to celebrate (except storytelling) in that one.

    ESB and R1 are essentially tied. ESB could beat R1 because the Luke crew is in complete chaos. R1 left the Jyn crew in more than chaos, but they also achieved their mission.

    AotC has Yoda asking "victory you say?" Anakin lost his mother (and half an arm). But still better off than RotS

    TFA/ANH. They both end with a battle won, but not a war. Both also have a hero coming of age. So a split of good and bad.

    TPM. Like RotJ, all seems right in the galaxy. But TPM is actually a loss (just feels like a victory).

    RotJ. Fulfillment of the prophecy. Redemption of Anakin. Emperor dead. It might have had dark moments, but they were all on a path to total victory (until it was decided they weren't about 35 years later).
     
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  4. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Realized I forgot ROTJ

    ROTS
    TESB
    Rogue One
    ANH (Luke's guardians get incinerated, there's a planetary genocide killing billions, Obi-Wan maims a dude in a bar fight and Solo wastes a guy under the table and they torture Leia with that super ***ked up looking droid)
    TFA (Could flip this with ANH..Han's death was dark, but SKB was hard to take seriously)
    AOTC
    ROTJ
    TPM
     
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  5. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Force Ghost star 5

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    To me, a dark movie signifies a sense of dread, melancholy and a ritualistic theme implemented to it. Or when a movie gives the viewer harsh moralities to contemplate on(Repression, exploitation, love and all that wonderful jazz). This does not include films that are "purposefully" darkened and washed out colors to further express itself. My outlook applies to these film;

    ROTS
    AOTC
    TESB
    ROTJ=TPM
    R1
    TFA
    ANH.
     
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  6. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    ROTS
    R1
    ESB
    AOTC
    TFA
    TPM
    ANH
    ROTJ
     
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  7. rpeugh

    rpeugh Force Ghost star 4

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    While most will agree that either ROTS and TESB are easily the two darkest, ranking them beyond that is difficult, because darkness can be depicted in so many different ways. But even if you think ROTS is the darkest movie, I don't think it has the darkest music - and to this day I really don't know how I feel about that. It is really perplexing to me that Battle of the Heroes isn't as dark as Duel of the Fates. I remember feeling bothered by that early on, and I'm trying to keep an open mind about it, because I know it must have been a conscious decision by Lucas and Williams.
     
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  8. smoothkaz

    smoothkaz Jedi Knight star 2

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    ROTS
    RO
    TESB
    TFA
    AOTC
    ROTJ
    ANH
    TPM
     
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  9. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    ROTS - AOTC - TFA - ESB (somewhat "dark" but no one significant dies, in contrast to all other episodes) - ROTJ - TPM - ANH
     
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  10. JediMasterSven

    JediMasterSven Jedi Master star 3

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    My List:
    ROTS
    TFA- (due to the simple fact that the "happy ending" that we felt our heroes earned was lost. Luke is in hiding, Artoo's catatonic, Han and Leia's marriage felt apart and their son went coo-coo for cocopuffs and started killing everyone.)
    AOTC
    ESB
    R1
    ANH
    TPM

    Honorable mention: The Star Wars Holiday Special at the very bottom of the list in terms of darkness. Grown men who have beheld it's terror weep in agony and women shriek in terror at the mention of its name for it is a soulless void from which no light can escape.
     
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  11. DarthSheev

    DarthSheev Jedi Knight star 4

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    I would have to say:

    ROTS
    RO
    TESB
    TFA
    AOTC
    ANH
    ROTJ
    TPM
     
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  12. YeahOkayCool

    YeahOkayCool Jedi Youngling

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    1. Revenge of the Sith
    2. Empire Strikes Back
    3. Rogue One
    4. Attack of the Clones
    5. The Force Awakens
    6. Return of the Jedi
    7. The Phantom Menace
    8. A New Hope
     
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  13. Grievousdude

    Grievousdude Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I've been thinking about this for a while so here I go


    1 Revenge of the Sith (obviously this is the darkest with the Jedi being almost wiped out and the Sidious taking control of the galaxy)

    2 Rogue One (Whilst the main characters all die, a big theme of this movie is hope as Leia says at the end and even though it cost them their lives the Rogue One team did make a difference in the struggle against the Empire that helped change the galaxy for the better.)

    3 Empire Strikes Back (Though this is the darkest film of the OT with the Rebels being scattered from their base, Han being frozen in Carbonite and Luke's world turned upside down by Vader's revelation ,I would say it is still much lighter than R1 and ROTS as it has scenes like Yoda pretending to be mad and the hilarity of Threepio being carried by Chewbacca and moaning the whole time to lighten things up a bit.)

    4 The Force Awakens (There is a lot of fun action/adventure moments in this one like Finn and Rey fighting the Tie Fighters on Jakku and the encounter with the Rathars but there is also some very dark moments like the opening scene with the Troopers executing villagers, the Starkiller destroying the Hosnian System, the flashback scene with Luke's saber and of course Han's death. I would say this one is half and half, whilst there is a lot of fun moments and banter between the characters the most memorable scenes are the darkest ones IMO.)

    5 Attack of the Clones (The scene where Anakin slaughters the Tuskens is dark but apart from that I would say most of the darkness in this one comes from our knowledge of future events. For example the ending with Anakin and Padme marrying is a happy event in the context of just this film but when you know what it eventually leads to it isn't such a happy moment and Yoda announcing the Clone Wars have begun is much more impactful when you know what is to come in ROTS)

    6 Return of the Jedi (In general an upbeat film with the Emperor being defeated and the Ewoks taking out the Stormtroopers being fun to watch. On the other hand though the scenes in the throne room are some of the most intense scenes in the whole series and Oola being fed to the Rancor isn't pleasant.

    7 The Phantom Menace ( On the whole this film isn't that dark but there is a scene where the Queen is sent a message saying her people are suffering under Federation control that is dark and Qui Gon's death at the end is sad)

    8 A New Hope ( I would say this is the lightest in the series as there really is no dark moments other than Luke seeing Owen and Beru's corpses and Vader torturing Leia. Alderaan being destroyed would be a sad moment if we saw the people's reactions like in TFA but because it doesn't there is no real impact to it. That's fine though because I think if a scene like that was in ANH it wouldn't fit with the fun nature of the film.
     
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  14. jedisrm

    jedisrm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Let me try...

    With
    Rogue 1
    Empire
    Clones
    Force awakens
    Hope
    Jedi
    Phantom
     
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  15. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    Empire. Sith. Rogue One. FA. AOTC. ROTJ. ANH. PM.
     
  16. YeahOkayCool

    YeahOkayCool Jedi Youngling

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    I'm curious. Why did you place Empire as darker than Sith?
     
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  17. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    I thought about this. It just seemed more emotional. The Han Leia theme brings tears to my eyes every time. It was every bit as dark as ROTS even though it was on a smaller, more personal scale. After a New Hope, watching the characters lose their way like that was devastating to watch as a child. But it was close. :)
     
  18. SmallTatooineSun

    SmallTatooineSun Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I've only seen TFA 1.5 times and don't remember much from it so I'm not including it here.

    1. ROTS - for reasons already mentioned
    2. RO - other than the hope part with Leia, it's very sad. Hard for me to watch without crying, which is embarrassing, but overall it's quite dark (which I like).
    3. ESB
    4. ANH - lots of death, destruction, Luke's life turned upside down. It ends on a happy note, but lots of stuff goes down in this one.
    5. AOTC - almost a tie with ANH. Anakin's obsession with Padme, shmi's death, geonosis, etc.
    6. TPM - qui-gon's death and Anakin leaving his mom are sad but the overall tone is not dark.

    I haven't seen all the clone wars episodes, but so far they don't seem dark to me. The one where 99 is killed makes me sad.
     
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  19. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Master star 3

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    A lot of people find Sith's attempts to be dark (such as the "child murder" scene) a bit shallow.
     
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  20. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager - Knights of LAJ star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  21. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Or fell asleep half-way through a screening possibly.
     
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  22. I Are The Internets

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    RO
    ROTS
    ESB
    ANH
    AOTC
    TFA
    TPM
    ROTJ
     
  23. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager - Knights of LAJ star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Thats basically unforgivable. :p
     
  24. Dark Ferus

    Dark Ferus Chosen One star 8

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    My updated list:


    Revenge of the Sith: hero becomes evil and kills children, maimed by other protagonist, the Republic and the Jedi are destroyed

    Rogue One: All the heroes die, shows war the most realistically

    Attack of the Clones: Hero commits mass murder, many Jedi are killed, hero loses limb


    The Force Awakens: Mentor is killed by son, Villain massacres village

    Empire strikes Back: villain defeats hero, comic relief character is captured

    A New Hope: hero's guardians are killed, mentor is killed, planet is destroyed

    Return of the Jedi: Hero struggles with good and evil, good guys win, hero almost meets terrifying end

    The Phantom Menace: hero loses innocence as he deals with separation, slapstick

    Hopefully The Last Jedi is darker than Revenge of the Sith
     
  25. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    Or watched half at home.
     
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