Darth Sidious had nothing but bad luck ...

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by AlrikFassbauer, May 6, 2005.

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  1. AlrikFassbauer

    AlrikFassbauer Jedi Padawan star 4

    Apr 2, 2003
    ... at least considering his apprentices. ;)

    - Darth Maul was killed by Obi-Wan ...

    - Darth Tyranus was an old "Tatter-Greis" as we would say in German ;) ) (a bit exaggerating ;) ) - at least he was too old to become a powerful warrior ...

    - Asaji Ventress (I still have problems spelling her name) was killed by Anakin Skywalker ...

    - Darth Vader was a cyborg ... (supposed my theory is right that Darth Vader later became Apprentice of Darth Sidious)

    And finally, Darth Sidious (supposed he is the one battling Luke Skywalker) was killed by Darth Vader ...

    So, all in all, Darth Sidious might have fulfilled his great schemes, but in the end he had with his apprentices nothing but bad luck. ;)

  2. Master_Rebado

    Master_Rebado Chosen One star 6

    May 31, 2004
    Yes this is one of the main points of the whole saga -The Dark Side is powerful but is flawed in that those who use it are brought down by their lust for power.

    The Sith achieve a VERY short term victory when you weigh the fact that the Republic stood for "thousands of generations" and the Empire existed for approx twenty years.

    The PT does show how easily greed and hatred can be embraced to allow many to suffer for one persons' own personal desires and the OT shows how sacrifice and love can undo all of that also.

    I always felt that Luke was soooo right when he told Palpatine that his overconfidence was his weakness.

    This comment obviously seemed ludicrous to Palps at the time(considering he had brought down the entire Jedi Order and here's some young padawan telling him that he would be defeated).

    Sidious had been so meticulous in setting up his new Empire but had not been so circumspect in keeping it.

  3. SVAndrei

    SVAndrei Jedi Knight star 5

    Nov 6, 2004
    It's like in all fairy tales: Good always triumphs over evil.
    Star Wars can be considered a modern fairy tale, right?
  4. Darth-Seldon

    Darth-Seldon Jedi Grand Master star 6

    May 17, 2003
    If anything Palpatine had good luck which eventually turned sour.
    The death of Maul didn't really affect his plans very much. The apprentice was replaced, it was nothing to fret about.

    Palpatine was lucky to be in the galaxy at that time of political instablitiy, corruption, and weakness. He may have been clever at creating galactic problems which plunged them into chaos, but he was lucky to be living at that time in galactic history so he was able to exploit it all. If he were alive at a different era, he may not have moved into power with such ease.

    It is a given fact that a Sith is never completely loyal. The Vader turn was to be expected. At that point in Return of the Jedi, it didn't really matter that he was going to be killed. The times had become desperate. Luke refused to turn, the rebellion was moving in, an onslaught of enemy fire was bombarding them. The Empire was falling into ruin. The fact that Vader killed Palps at that point in time didn't really matter. Luke had denied Palpatine, and the failure of Sidious was complete. He may have been able to dominate Political power but he wasn't able to control one farm boy's mind.

    Sidious was a genius, there is no doubting that his plans were well executed and almost flawless. He wasn't unlucky, he simply was destroyed at the end.

    That is life, that is politics, that is war. It is all to be expected.

    Or as Ronald Reagan said:
    "Politics is just like show buisness. You have a hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then you have a hell of a close."

    That is true for Palpatine.

  5. Blaine_The_Mono

    Blaine_The_Mono Jedi Youngling star 2

    Apr 18, 2005
    He mostly used his apprentices as puppets, anyway.
  6. snap-hiss

    snap-hiss Jedi Master star 5

    Aug 23, 2001
    Palpatine was lucky to be in the galaxy at that time of political instablitiy, corruption, and weakness.

    Lucky? How do you come to that conclusion? Considering he created the instability and corruption, and feed the weakness I wouldn't call it luck at all. Everything bad that happened to the Republic was part of his design... there was no luck involved.

  7. rajarshinag

    rajarshinag Jedi Youngling star 1

    Sep 24, 2003
    palpatine is like hitler, he planned world domination but died in a bunker or something!
    same case here

    shows how the dark side is useless

    hell take KOTOR story in view, same there too, take any story good is better than evil it seems!
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