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Discussion Dave Filoni’s Star Wars Film (It’s Heir to the Empire, folks. I know it, you know it!)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk, Apr 7, 2023.

  1. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Theoretically Ahsoka Season 2 could complete and they could transition into a movie quite quickly… if there’re smart they should be able to plan to reuse/repurpose existing sets, costumes, digital models etc. It depends how slick the production model is and how quickly they want to go into actual production… but it *could* effectively be all be part of the same rolling production…. That’s the kind of model DLF should be looking to have in place for this IMO.
     
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  2. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Filoni's too worked out to get his movie out by 2027. His script is not done.
     
  3. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Not necessarily. I suspect the reason why production of The Mando and Grogu film has seemed relatively effortless is that they were clearly developing and repurposing Season 3 in 'realtime'. Of course Mando Season 3 suffered for that (IMO), but it's also been the reason why they were able to go into production of the film relatively quickly. It's ultimately all about organisation.
     
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  4. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Well the Filoni movie wont be Mandalorian season 5 or Ahsoka season 3. But a big crossover, avenger style movie. So still its a huge undertaking.
     
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  5. DarthHass

    DarthHass Force Ghost star 4

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    why does everything have to be avenger style? I’m avengered out. Just give me a movie.
     
  6. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Well its a big crossover, starting with Mandalorian and Grogu.
     
  7. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    I believe out of all the announced films that this one is potentially the weakest in terms of box office draw and the riskiest to make. I think this should be a streaming show rather than a feature film. My concern is that it just won't appeal to normies all that much. I know it's supposed to be a big crossover film and that seems like a big deal at first but then when you stop and think about what shows it's crossing over some of that luster fades; it's all the Mandoverse stuff. You have TM which had a mediocre S3 and a lot of the hype and cultural impact has cooled over time, Ahsoka, which didn't exactly blow the doors off or even get close to entering the cultural zeitgeist the way the first 2 seasons of TM did, the forgettable TBoBF, and maybe, possibly Skeleton Crew. I know we still have Ahsoka S2 to come but I have a feeling it will be of similar quality and ratings as S1, although I'd like to be wrong about that. I think the real indicator of interest will be how well TM&G does as it seems to be a prequel of sorts. I also think that the big 3 from the OT will have a deepfaked appearance in this film and that the marketing will lean heavily into that.
     
  8. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    This is a complete ‘rebuild’ for Star Wars. It can’t be just about throwing another film out there. It needs to be a considered approach and quality absolutely is key.

    So I think any Star Wars film (currently) is a huge risk… as the brand/franchise has become viewed as largely prosaic, toxic and moribund. However, what the franchise does still have in its favour is that it’s instantly recognisable and stands apart from other sci-fi/fantasy films. All The Mandalorian & Grogu film needs to be is ‘good’. It doesn’t have to break 2 billion (as long as it makes its money back) and it doesn’t necessarily have to be the biggest/most popular film of the year. What it does need to do though is show that Star Wars can be fun and entertaining… that it needn’t be derivative and living off past glories. If it does that, if audiences who go to see it are entertained and want more… then maybe the brand will start to become reinvigorated. This is a slow build… and I think a Mando and Grogu film is probably the safest best to win back some audience good will.
     
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  9. DarthPhilosopher

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    I do wonder how normies actually view it though. The announcements seem to becoming a bit of a meme at this point (conversely Star Wars fans being toxic and petulant is also a meme at this point, so there’s a bit of daylight between them and us), but I wonder how much the average person thinks of the franchise as being prosaic or toxic, for example.

    Honestly, as much as I can put myself in the shoes of a normie, I think if there was a trailer for a big new Star Wars film and it looked huge and action packed, they’d probably be pretty excited for it. It’s becoming apparent to me that perhaps the average person is less interested in the universe as we are (which is why the Disney+ stuff is more hit and miss viewership wise), and is more interested in a big exciting event film (like Mission Impossible). So I think, compared to the Disney+ stuff, a large scale and spectacular looking film is probably going to be a big draw and create a lot of buzz - at that point it’s on LFL to put on a good show, as it’s always been.
     
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  10. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 6

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    Agree with the points you make. My take on it is LFL has to focus. The trajectory of the studio leaves a lot to be desired. It needs to focus EXCLUSIVELY on delivering good SW content. And, tbh, based on previous experiences, they should probably be on the conservative side of things this time. This means: Not messing up what the Force or the Jedi are (VERY important when we are talking about a new Jedi Order), making sure the story is SW-ish but at the same time avoiding the farmboy looking for an adventure, innovating with planets, ships and situation (we have seen enough times the heroes dressed as storm troopers and infiltrate the enemy lines)...

    Focusing on the mando verse and creating a new trilogy based on the new Jedi Order sounds like great ideas to me. I would focus on them and avoid other riskier projects (Dawn of the Jedi sounds great as an idea, but it also sounds a lot like the kind of project the current DLF leadership can perfectly ruin).
     
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  11. Oissan

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    I'd say the average person doesn't even know about any of these announcements. Awareness for movies is not that widespread once you are dealing with the general audience. At that point you are in a territory were they REALLY don't know much at all about a movie or its production. By and large the average moviegoer couldn't tell you what Rogue One was about or where in the timeline it was supposed to fit, and yes, that includes the very obvious hint of the Death Star and Darth Vader being in it. There is a reason why big releases just flood you with marketing in the last two months, and that tickets only go on sale at that point as well. The average person just does not care enough to bother with movies until a short time before they will see them.

    What you also don't have among the average audience, is this over the top "they ruined the franchise" position, because these people simply do not care enough about a franchise in the first place to be that passionate about something. This type of hand-wringing mostly comes from fanboys. On the other end, you also don't really get a ton of excitement on the positive end either. People may really enjoy something and recomment it to others, and they can be drawn in by success and gushing reactions, but the amount of people who turn into actual fans is rather small. The majority of people has moved on in a week or two at the latest. They look for a bit of entertainment, get some form of enjoyment out of it, or sometimes not, and then they are onto the next thing in line. The only thing that it might cause is an easier time to draw in audiences for a sequel, in a "oh there is another one of these coming out in a month, I really liked the last one" sort of way. People don't really seek out information about the time of future releases though. It's not that people necessarily don't notice an announcement, but for the most part it would go into one ear and exit from the other.

    Not sure if Mission Impossible is that good an example for a big event film, as the last one was a disappointment at the box office, while coming in with a very bloated budget ;)
     
  12. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah I can’t even count how many times the same friends and family have asked me over and over “what’re they doing with Star Wars now again?” No matter how many times I tell them about Mando & Grogu or the Rey movie, they always forget.
     
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  13. Darth PJ

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    It’s probably a lot more subtle than that, with average audiences being less aware of the minutiae, but being cognisant of the net effect. It’s why Lucasfilm are so willing to stage things like Celebration, and announcing films (way too early in my opinion) because it’s a tried and tested way of promoting material, getting fans onside and generating a buzz that permeates the membrane of ‘fandom’, into the realms of social media/media generally, which “normies” then become exposed to and aware of. The net result, in this instance, probably being that general audiences just feel apathetic towards new Star Wars, as the general buzz on the media platforms is more about films not happening, or being pushed out, or lack of direction generally.

    To your other point… yes I agree, marketing and PR will always enter a new phase when it gets to releasing a trailer. It’s obviously a method of igniting interest and it really starts the official countdown to the release of a film. However, if it were purely down to a trailer (and I don’t underestimate their significance) then every production/film would know how to be a box office smash. But of course that isn’t the case, especially when there’s half a dozen other trailers for ‘event’ films competing… so yes a great trailer will undoubtedly help shape public opinion, but these days I think social media is more significant.
     
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  14. DarthPhilosopher

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    I think you’re overestimating the impact of social media in shaping public opinion (or more specifically what social media is showing most people), and how much normal people are even aware of these cancellations and delays. In other words they may remember the Celebration announcements, since they were publicised on mainstream news sites, but are probably fairly unaware of the delays and other controversies (or if they are aware, it will not really impact whether or not they become excited once the marketing kicks in).

    I’m not just saying a trailer will seal the deal, but it will build upon the cultural touchstone which Star Wars remains. For most people the franchise doesn’t enter their mind much, but unlike most other films, people will still have many great memories of it. So it’s likely to generate a lot more buzz than most big blockbuster trailers, even if one or two of the recent films didn’t live up to expectations for them. It still retains a huge built in advantage, which marketing and a good film can pretty easily tip into a success.

    In short, rather than memories of disappointment when seeing a new Star Wars trailer, I think most people will remember the many great moments and just be excited for a fun space adventure. In this respect the distance of 2019 is actually helpful in many ways.
     
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  15. DarkLordoftheFins

    DarkLordoftheFins Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    EDIT: Wrong thread
     
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  16. Darth PJ

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    Social media/the media is the singular biggest influence on how we view the world. I don't think there's any 'overestimating it'. I wish that wasn't the case, but I think it is.

    Star Wars does have an advantage over other films, as it has 'iconography' that is so instantly recognisable. But we know, and have known for many years, that not everything DLF produce is a home run... indeed some of it not even close... and general audiences do pick up on that. It's what invariable leads to malaise, apathy and the feeling that the franchise isn't as 'special' currently. However, if one believes that Star Wars is exactly where it needs to be, then the conversation is moot.

    That trailers tend to generate 'interest' is a given, however we've seen a steady decline in box office for SW films... and they all had great trailers. So a trailer, and the associated marketing is not the panacea. It should be noted that I don't really give two hoots about box office, as I'd sooner just have a movie I liked that wasn't the biggest film of the year rather than one I didn't like but was huge... but I guess we're talking relative popularity and how we measure that... and the assertion here is that its slipped somewhat (but acknowledging that this is a point of view and not necessarily one shared by all).
     
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  17. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    New rumor/leak has it that this movie will be filming in 2026 and be ready for 2028. And there is also this movie can be connected to a third season of Ahsoka if season 2 is big success.
     
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  18. PymParticles

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    If that’s the case then we’re not getting anything with Rey until like 2030. It makes it a bit easier to justify a continuation of the Saga if they’re doing Episodes X-XII if there’s an 11 year gap since Episode IX.
     
  19. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Depends if only get one movie a year or sometimes two movies a year.
     
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  20. Sarge

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    One Rogue Squadron movie a year is enough.
     
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  21. DarkLordoftheFins

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    So true. Star Wars used to be a spectacle.

    I know I might not make myself popular in this thread, but I think this movie is 75% cancelled already. When Ahsoka didn’t become the hit they expected, they might have put this on the back burner. Of course great rating for Season 2 or the Mando movie might make them reconsider. But I think any responsible executive would doubt this “reboot” of Star Wars into the post-RotJ era has kind of not worked. It wasn’t a bad idea, brining a Thrawn/Nightsister driven arc with heroes who all had their backstory defined by the TV Shows. But I guess they assumed those shows would be as big as Mandalorian Season 1 and 2. Turned out differently. This movie is a bit like someone wanted to make a movie out of Bosch on Amazon. Not a failed show by any means … but not a big draw either.
    Guess we will hear less and less about it. Then it joins the many other projects never cancelled.
     
  22. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I feel like they gotta wrap up the loose ends of the mandoverse somehow, though. Either this movie gets turned into a miniseries, or they keep it as a movie and put cgi versions of the OT3 all over the marketing.
     
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  23. Oissan

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    How do you know what they expected of Ahsoka?
    There was zero reason for anyone to think Ahsoka would match The Mandalorian when neither Book of Boba Fett nor Kenobi did.
    Sounds like you are just judging someone's behaviour based on what you projected onto them, not based on what they actually think or do.
    You assume that they expected Ahsoka to be a big hit, with no proof. Then you just claim that this unproven theory of yours may have caused them to delay this project. You take a starting point that is already disconnected from reality, then try to draw conclusions from it, and finish it off by judging the conclusion you just made up. That's just not how any of this works. Regardless of what happens to this project.

    And quite frankly, if anyone bases his decisions on something that requires long-term planning like movies do on a season of a tv-show, said person shouldn't be remotely close to running a movie studio.

    Was there really any realistic chance of this movie coming up soon?
    We already had announcements for the Rey-movie, Mangold's movie, and the Mandalorian movie, all seemingly in states of pre-production already. They obviously seemed like the three movies for which release dates had been set. So Filoni - who now also is more involved in projects in general - was already involved in one movie directly while also having Ahsoka season 2 on his plate. Both of these projects already include some of the characters likely to be used in this movie project, and they run principal photography this year and next. How was this supposed to be coming up any sooner than this rumour suggests?

    The sad thing is, that while Lucasfilm is way too busy making early announcements when they should just wait with those until they know for sure they will try to shoot it, many of the projects also get leaked and are then treated as if they were officially announced, even when they are just concepts and ideas, not fully planned movie-projects yet.
     
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  24. Daxon101

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    At this point i think The Mandalorian hit as big as it did because it was the first Star Wars live action TV Show. Especially when you look at the dip in series 3. Which i feel says more about the brands holding power as a regular fixture than anything else.

    I mean, not every show that has high viewership is the best show ever. There are many factors that come into play for what is enjoyed and appeals to people. So when it comes to blaming of the quality of these shows. that sets a very high bar for whats expected and i dunno if its believable to achieve.
     
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  25. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    This, and the fact that it's Dave Filoni's project. I highly doubt they would slight Filoni like that.

    I think this should be a streaming show myself, but there is no way that's gonna happen. We will definitely see this in the cinema, unless Hell freezes over or something similar.

    Likely.

    If that were the only reason it hit big then it would only have been popular with SW fans, hardcore and casuals, but it was so much bigger than that. It hit the cultural zeitgeist. Normies were wearing little Grogu chachkies on their crocks. Soccer moms had "The Child on board" bumper stickers on their minivans. Plushies were flying off retail shelves. I saw those things with mine own eyes. It wasn't because it was the first live action SW show. I'm sure that helped a little but the main reason was because Favreau came up with two memorable (albeit derivative...although that may have helped their appeal) characters and put them in a series of exciting adventures which appealed to all ages.

    There was a dip in S3 because S3 didn't know what to do with itself and I still suspect studio interference on that one. They undid the near-perfect ending of S2 and brought back Grogu in a separate show, much to the confusion of normies and casuals who didn't watch TBoBF. I don't believe Favreau is that stupid. I'm almost certain Disney brass commanded him to bring back their money-maker ASAP, although that's just speculation on my part as I have no proof.
     
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