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Discussion Dave Filoni’s Star Wars Film (It’s Heir to the Empire, folks. I know it, you know it!)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk, Apr 7, 2023.

  1. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I ain't sure thats really a good enough excuse really.

    The Mandalorian series 3 without Grogu probably wouldn't have had great viewership. Din alone wouldn't have been as appealing and not sure many of the casuals were rooting for that direction. And while this idea that people were put off by Grogu coming back in a different show, which i might add, the final of TBOB is said to have had a higher viewership of 36% compared to Mandalorian: Series 2 final. So i ain't sure how many were left confused by it.

    And really no one was going to be put off by grogu coming back. Most people don't want to see a character go from their favorite show.

    The Last Star Wars show that did well was Kenobi. Everything since then has done a fair amount less viewership And i suspect Skeleton Crew, even if reviews call it the best Star Wars since empire will follow also. I think Star Wars on TV has just lost its sparkle and has become more casual viewing.
     
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  2. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Mandalorian s3 was the most watched original series of 2023, I think that qualifies as a legitimate success, even with a dip in viewership. I mean, apart from the first two episodes of Obi-Wan Kenobi performing insanely highly, I'm pretty The Mandalorian s3 outperformed that series overall. And I'm saying that as someone who likes OWK a fair bit more than TM s3.
     
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  3. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Ahsoka show was looked at good with the budget it had and with no marketing as it was during writers strike. The Mandalorian was still the top show of Disney plus. This movie is happening and if rumors are to be belived, its the third movie coming, after Mandalorian and Grogu and Dawn of the Jedi. 2028 release date.
     
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  4. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I dunno. from what im reading here it would suggest Obi Wan was still higher

    Being described elsewhere as a 93% drop off.

    Would Disney still consider it good viewership? Maybe, its hard to say because everyone likes to point out when it has a drop of viewership and how bad it is.
     
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  5. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That was the premier, and that was partially because of how big the first two episodes of OWK were. Underperforming the top performer is not necessarily a failure. The rest of the season outperformed it in minutes watched from the data I saw.
     
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  6. Awushi Awere

    Awushi Awere Jedi Knight star 2

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    My take: Star Wars works only as a mass phenomenon when it re-appears out of nothing. Then everyone magically seems to have forgotten that SW is actually not HBO/Arthouse level fine but an expensive mix of this and that in space. After watching it, half of the audience is like "OK, whatever" and move on. SW doesn't work like Marvel where you can put out tons of movies and box-office works out just fine. Because the more SW is produced, the more it becomes what it used to be besides the core movies: a niche. This fandom is picky, this fandom is grumpy, this fandom is nerdy and is tending to be conservative. Lucasfilm finally has to consider this fandom has some "loud voices" within it and they contribute heavily to the atmosphere around a new production. Of course they should not listen to trolling people or anti fans who just insult actors or being racists. But I assume 90% of the critical fans just want good stories. So work for them and not for supposed to "billions of watching people from every spot in the world and every way of live". If you want billions at the box office again, you will have to wait 20 years before producing a next movie. Cool down the iron first.
     
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  7. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    2 billions maybe, but Star Wars movies can still have 1 billions movies, its not hard.
     
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  8. Reaper63

    Reaper63 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    ok, my opinion on Season 3 of Mando, With the cancellation of Rangers of the New Republic, they had to incorporate the New Republic failure into other projects. which is hard to do when you have an overall story. and you see more of this in Ahsoka.

    You had to address Mandalore, the planet, Get Bo Back into power (Seriously, Din Djarin was NEVER going to be Mandalore) and get The Dins back into the bounty hunter game, where they were outstanding,

    Feloni's movie will not be affected too much here, and in fact I bet it will still be a trilogy. as rumored. Thrawn is too big a bad guy to be handled in one movie, even if he is in more shows. News on the Heir Movie will flow AFGTER Season 2 of Ahsoka is filmed. THAT has to be the focus for Feloni now.

    Whatever roles the OT Big 3 (4 with Lando) play, I, personally, vote for recasting them. for the minor bits that Luke has played, it worked, but to include them in any real way, you need them to interact. Just look at Leia in Return of Skywalker. to have any REAL impact on the story, you need better interaction.

    I LOVED Solo and would love to see him return a Han. We know there have been fan castings of Luke EVERYWHERE. I think had they not kept to the May release of Solo after Last Jedi, and not had to refilm practically the entire movie (The studio's fault for not keeping track of what was happening originally) it would have done better. I liked Last Jedi, but the majority of people hated it and took it out on Solo, not seeing it, not giving it a chance, I think it's grown in popularity on Disney+ but that will never help the money it losty out on in theaters.
     
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  9. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    How about they deepfake Alden Ehrenreich's face onto a body double?
     
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  10. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    How about all OT characters who were recast minus Leia, come back. Luke was already recast behind the scenes. Carrie's daughter plays Leia as she did in flashback for TROS. We all accept it and move on.
     
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  11. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't think Lukes counts as a recast. When your face is hidden behind CGI and your voice is replaced by AI. Im not sure how much of that stands as recast
     
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  12. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    It's not Mark Hamill, so... Recast.
     
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  13. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    If its not Mark Hamill its a recast
     
  14. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Do you count stunt doubles as recasts?

    Because thats practically what the guy is doing. He is a mo-cap guy. His face is never on screen and his voice is never on screen.
     
  15. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Alright, just leave in the synthesized parts of the character and see what you end up with. That'll give you a floating, talking head.
    Graham Hamilton is not there as a mere "mo-cap guy" and he's certainly not a stunt double (that would be Scott Lang) - he's a performance artist. All of the body acting is done by him. He's actually portraying Luke on screen.
    I know the importance of face, voice and dialogue, that we still see the character as Mark's Luke and that Mark himself was there to guide Graham and work out the performance with him, but it's still Graham who ultimately acts out the performance on screen. The performance belongs to them both, even if it's essentially Graham being Mark's avatar. For an actor to become another actor and then become a character as that actor... That's no small task.

    But maybe recast isn't the right word, since Mark is still involved. You might call it a... pluscast?

    Or, since Mark lives on as Luke through Graham, a reincarnation!
     
  16. Reaper63

    Reaper63 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    even Leia was recast for Rogue One. and Carrie approved that scene, she loved it but I'm fine with Billie playing Leia if she wanted to.
     
  17. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    I say recast away.
     
  18. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    The only way to do is recast if they dont want to move on from the OT
     
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  19. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah I think if DLF is considering recasting the big three for roles in new stories where it's more practicable to recast than to deepfake due to the amount of screen time for the characters then they've really filed for creative bankruptcy. I'm fairly certain the big three will be deepfaked in Filoni's film but after that I say it's time to move on. You've got Daisy Ridley to move the NJO era forward and even Anthony Daniels could still do voicework if they need him to. But other than maybe an animated series featuring the big 3 it's time to cut the umbilical cord and move on. Create new characters, explore different eras DLF!

    Except Lando. I'll make an exception for Donald Glover as Lando for his film which I'd rather see as a streaming series cuz Glover is the man ;)
     
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