Senate Death Penalty - General Discussion

Idk, I think we can manage preventing guys like Bundy from being let out, without having to have the precedent of life without parole being an option which can be exploited.

 

Seen from the judicial side of things, no, you can't. If life without parole isn't one of the options, you can't deny parole from someone who has met the criteria to get parole despite having been handed a life sentence.

 

Exactly, which is why life without parole still needs to exist for the most serious crimes (multiple murders, terrorist acts, hate crime murders). For people who if they got out would continue doing what they were doing. People who show no remorse and are dedicated to destroying other people's lives and are never going to change.

 

Uh. I'm pretty sure the "criteria" for parole involves risk assessment and public safety. People who show no remorse and are still dangerous don't actually meet the criteria for parole. The criteria for parole is actually highly subjective and impossible to meet if the parole board just doesn't want to grant it.

LOL, well, you still want to murder everyone, you're mentally unstable, and you show no remorse for your crimes...but you somehow also meet the criteria for parole, so we have no choice but to parole you. No, that's not how it works. It's not as simple as behaving nicely in prison and lining up a job and a home and, presto, parole. It's not just a list of objective tasks. Personal judgment on the part of the parole board is absolutely a huge part of the decision.

You absolutely can just continually deny someone parole for decades and decades. It happens all the time. Manson was denied parole a dozen times in his life.

 

There should be no "life without parole" sentence. If someone is deemed too much of a threat to society (and it should be a very high standard), their parole can be denied. And they should not be confined in hell regardless of their crimes.

 

They do - and if they are met, the prisoner has a legitimate chance of being released.

And criteria can quite conceiveably (and have effectively) been met by criminals who were, in fact, a lot more unrepentant than the authority who assessed their parole was led to understand. The same goes for parole boards getting wool pulled over their eyes: it happens.

So yes, in strict judicial terms, if life without parole is not an option, parole is inevitably one, and it can and will be used.

Note that this is kept deliberately vague because there are many countries in this world, many judicial systems, and many different ways to handle parole. It's not a one-country, one-system question and cannot be discussed along the specific lines of one country's systems.

 

Kazakhstan has abolished the death penalty:

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/1/2/kazakhstan-abolishes-death-penalty-after-near-20-year-moratorium

 

I hope Trump's 11th hour killing spree will compel Biden to push for a permanent end to Federal capital punishment.

 

A.) I don’t think a state should have the right to kill anyone
B.) the fact that the justice system isn’t perfect and there are dozens if not over a hundred innocent people on death row is abhorrent

 

it's an easy way to pander to the base. He has no moral qualms about it. It's dramatic. It makes the left angry.

 

The thing is, I know a LOT of Democrats who are pro-death penalty, which is just disgusting. I mean freaking California has a huge Democratic majority but couldn't pass a ban on the death penalty as recently as like 4 years ago when I lived there. And many of the Democrats I knew personally and worked with were pro-death penalty while I, not a Democrat, was virulently opposed to the death penalty starting in like 2005.

 

He's a ****

that's all it is

 

How can anyone still think Trump is pro-life is beyond me.

 

From what I read of it, the execution spree was more a project by Bill Barr. Of course it's his administration so Trump is ultimately responsible, but I'm not sure how much the man himself was invested in it.

 

I definitely remember getting pushback for being anti-death penalty from people that were otherwise politically left here. Years back.

As of a few years ago, 40% of Democrats supported it in a Pew poll.

 

Conservatives cannot claim to be pro life if they are pro death penalty

 

Very few can claim to be either pro-life or pro-choice, then. Though that's a tangential argument.

 

South Carolina lawmakers vote to allow execution by firing squad.

 

lol, the ****ing rubes.

 

Damn. Classic. Hey, if it’s a deterrent to heinous crimes then so be it.

As for the death penalty, I’m not surprised here that most are against it. I say if there is undeniable evidence and the crime was first degree murder then bye bye. Too bad. They should of thought about that before they planned out the murder of an innocent person. I’d also say that repeat rapists or violent sex offenders, especially against children ought to be sent packing. In open and shut cases there need be NO appeals and postponing it. One strike you’re out.

For all other cases or when the evidence was iffy....I’d prefer to see more evidence or proof first. Otherwise, nah, no death penalty.

 

No government should be able to kill their own people

the violent crime rate isn’t higher in states with or without the death penalty. It literally does nothing