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  1. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 3

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    And then he put in "Maclunkey" as a trolling reminder of where the better original version of the scene came from the first place.

    "When you gotta shoot, shoot, don't talk!" - Tuco Ramirez, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
     
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  2. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    Lucas changed one of the most iconic scenes in SW, and then lied about his reasons for it. He obviously had a change of heart for whatever reason...but even if it was for a worthwhile reason, the scene looks terrible no matter how many times he goes back to "fix" it.
     
  3. HanSolo98

    HanSolo98 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Han shot first. It matters because Han's rashness and selfishness is seen. The ending of ANH is better as a character arc for Han going from selfish mercenary to loyal friend of Luke. Showing Han's attitude of selfish mercenary in every way is great no matter what.
     
  4. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not to mention that Lucas rationale behind this change makes no sense.
    In Lucas own words, Han Solo was John Wayne, and as such, he must never, ever shoot first. He should always let the other guy have the first shot.
    And in the situation that Han was in, letting Greedo shoot first is not noble, it is suicidally stupid.
    Plus Han shoots first a lot of other times in the film. So there is no consistency.

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  5. TFWBWYA

    TFWBWYA Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I don't know what the big deal is who shot first. It's ridiculous the fuss that has been made over it. And your no.5 is correct. Had no effect on his character.
     
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  6. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    People do overhate the change. But I still think it matters because it was something pretty ridiculous to change. The effect of Han dodging looks awful. And the edit just kept changing with each new Special Edition. That's what's really ridiculous
    You have the original version, the 1997 version, 2004 version, 2011 version, and even a 2019 version (Maclunkey)
    Of the special edition versions, the 2004 version of this scene is probably the best because Han and Greedo shoot at almost the same time.
    The original is the best. It was very clear Greedo intended to kill Han, and Han shot him before that could happen.
     
  7. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    Indeed...
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    Apparently, it was a big deal to Lucas, as it did affect his character.

     
  8. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 3

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    Good point. Back when he made the first film Luke and Leia were probably going to get together, and not be related. So maybe he felt he ought to clean Han up a bit in retrospect.
     
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  9. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    Yes, but people can change. Hell, Han changed from the beginning (middle?) of ANH to the end, right?

    Still, she's got a lot of spirit. I
    don't know, what do you think? Do
    you think a princess and a guy like
    me...


    LEIA (laughing)
    Hey, I knew there was more to you
    than money.


    And he's certainly not the same Han in ROTJ. He's gone from a small-time smuggler who only cares about himself to a general of alliance forces saving the galaxy. All of this still worked with the original scene (which neither Leia nor Luke even witnessed, btw). Even Luke and Vader changed throughout the films (Leia, not so much, lol...but she was always the strong, moral compass.)
     
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  10. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr AOTC 20th Anniversary Banner Finalist star 4 VIP - Game Winner

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    Plus, Han Solo was always a bit more like Clint Eastwood than John Wayne. John Wayne's cowboy characters were typically lawmen, or law following/upholding men. Han was always an outlaw with a heart of gold.
     
  11. Mystery Roach

    Mystery Roach Force Ghost star 4

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    It never mattered to me. I hated the ROTJ changes at the time (not anymore), and I thought the CG Jabba model was pretty bad (not anymore), but Han/Greedo was one change I didn’t even notice, and when I learned years later that people were upset about it I was just bemused.
     
  12. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    Personally I hate the way Lucas tried to reinvent Han. Why make him into a saint when he is clearly a smuggler and pirate, and couldn't care less if he killed someone who threatens him. The original Han wouldn't have lost a minute of sleep over that. Is it that important to me? Nope.... it's only a movie. Still I find it slightly annoying.
    By the way, Lucas isn't the only one guilty of such changes. Didn't Spielberg change the finale of E.T.? Originally the police or whatever they were had guns and WERE ready to use them. Was it really necessary to retcon that and turn guns into radios? No way.
     
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  13. I Are The Internets

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    Spielberg has gone on record saying he regretted making those changes.
     
  14. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh.... I wasn't aware of that. In that case, why not simply undo them for future editions?:confused:
     
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  15. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That's exactly what he did.
     
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  16. Moriarte

    Moriarte Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think it matters as Han shooting second undermines the character being a scoundrel but also a street smart survivor. Greedo certainly wanted to kill him. With that intent made clear, Han shooting first, anyone shooting first, was self-defense and just practical.
    So in a tough universe, especially in the scum-and-villainy places, it's best to have your wits about you and it makes for a cool, resourceful character.
     
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