Did Palpatine forsee Anakin falling in love with Padme?

After all, it is he that suggests Obi-Wan and Anakin serve as bodyguards for Padme, and it is she that creates a wedge between Anakin and Obi-Wan. If Palpatine did forsee this, then it makes his plan to rule the galaxy that much more brilliant.

 

Yes, it is very obvious that he knew how Anakin felt about Padme and he suggested Kenobi to protect her only because of who Kenobi's apprentice is.

 

Of course he did. Palps is in the know.

 

Just about everything in the Prequels happens because of Palpatine.

 

It could be said he is the primary character of the prequels.

 

I think the real question is did Palpidious forsee Anakin and Padme having children?

Judging from what we know from the OT, it seems unlikely because he was unaware of Luke's existence until he heard news of the Death Star's destruction. Palpidious would've realise that by allowing Anakin and Padme to fall in love, he ends up creating a double-edged sword in the process because they would consumate their relationship and will result in the creation of Luke Skywalker-the very person who will destroy the Emperor.

 

He isn't the primary character... but he is the puppet master.


And yes, of course Palpy is in control of the situation. I think he picked up on Anakin's feeling in TPM and planned it from there. It takes so long because the right situation needs to present itself, he has to have time to gradually disillusion Anakin, and he has to put Padme in enough peril to drive her into Anakin's arms.

 

I always thought Jar Jar would be the main villain (refering to the article on TF.N homepage) lol j/k

Yes Palpatine was all knowing in this plan. Even the defeat of the Trade Federation on Naboo, in my personal opinion. That way the Trade Federation would join the seperatists when they'd be created.

 

It is wisdom to accept that Chancellor Palpatine knows more than anybody else in these movies.

 

Would you even go so far as to say Shmi being kidnapped by a group of Tusken Raiders was no coincidence?
Man, Palpatine is the greatest movie character ever (too bad his past is so mysterious).

 

Yes.

If this weren't the case, I think someone would've attacked them on Naboo. Possibly Palpatine even subtly pushed Padme towards deciding to hide in the retreat, either in a conversation with her or through a mind trick.

But at any rate, if Anakin really feels more comfortable around Palpatine than Obi-wan, he would've probably asked for advice on what to do about Padme...he is a politician, after all, so he would seem to be able to give Anakin advice from a closer POV to Padme's than Obi-wan.

Edit: Oh, and I don't think Shmi being kidnapped by Tusken Raiders was Palpatine's fault. It seems too iffy...it would be more beneficial to Palpatine for Anakin to stay on Naboo with Padme for the longest time possible, so they would finally consummate their relationship somehow. Whether it was done by bedroom or chapel, it would immediately drive a wedge between Anakin and the rest of the Jedi.

 

I think that the proposition is ridiculous. It demanes Palpatine in many ways. To know whether or not someone would fall in love with another person moves from brilliant planning and ingenuity into outright foreknowledge and semi-omniscience. There are several more plausible theories for his suggestion of protection assignments. The foremost being getting Kenobi and Skywalker on the path of Jango, so that they would be at the center of the Clone Wars from its very start. Comparatively, chances are slim that he would know of Anakin's secret desire for Padme. And finally, consider that that order still didn't ensure Anakin and Padme falling in love. What if Kenobi had sent Anakin to investigate Jango, while he stayed behind and personalyl guarded Padme? There would be no way for Palpatine to control that.

 

Well, maybe he didn't see them falling in love, but he could read people.

Padme is a young, attractive, female senator who has spent most of her life around politicians and thus people she can't really trust.

Anakin is a young, attractive (Or so I hear...anytime HC is brought up ), male Jedi who has spent most of his life around Jedi who forbid connections to other people. Like I said, it's a safe bet that he may have talked about it to Palpatine, or hinted at it ("I've got this friend, see...").

Then have both of them go into hiding, where they will basically be by themselves with only each other to depend on...and on a lush planet like Naboo? The only thing that could foul up them developing some sort of strong connection would be if they decided to live among the Gungans.

Edit: Comparatively, chances are slim that he would know of Anakin's secret desire for Padme. And finally, consider that that order still didn't ensure Anakin and Padme falling in love. What if Kenobi had sent Anakin to investigate Jango, while he stayed behind and personalyl guarded Padme? There would be no way for Palpatine to control that.

Then Palpatine wouldn't have lost anything. Not to mention Obi-wan seems a far more logical choice to investigate Jango, since he's older and more experienced than Anakin. Besides, if Palpatine was with them for five minutes I think he'd find it unbelievable that Obi-wan would even think about letting his Padawan take on a mission like that.

 

Anakin also would charge in and either end up dead or dark since he would have just hounded Jango not ask the Council for instructions.

 

Did Palpatine forsee Anakin falling in love with Padme?

I don't know if he saw them falling in love, but you can bet your SW toys that he knew it would be a dynamite distraction for Anakin.

By Palp's comment in TPM, "watching your career with great interest" and Anakin's ease around Palps in AotC, I would think that there's been plenty of communication between the two of them in the 10 years between the movies. I think Ani definitely would have told Palps about Padme...even as a little kid, perhaps, how much he liked her or missed her or something along those lines. Palps takes every opportunity, no matter how small, to manipulate people and events. Separating Obi and Ani was exactly what he wanted, and he knew just how to do that.

 

I think Palpatine saw Padmé as a tool to put a wedge between Anakin and the Jedi (especially Obi-Wan) as well as a poker chip to be cashed in to manipulate Anakin. Putting Padmé in the company of a handsome young man smitten with her gets her out of the way of his plans.

He did not foresee them getting married. That I am sure of. My guess is that Palpatine discovers Section 2 of the Chosen One prophecy, the part about Anakin's children threatening his power, sometime around Episode III.

--MissPadme

 

I dont think Palps saw Padme falling in love w/ Anakin as quickly as she did, but he knew Anakin's feelings. Anakin has been thinking about her since Qui-Jonn's funeral. Anakin and Palps have talked together alot; which is evident in the way Anakin defends Palps to Obi, while in Padme's apartment. During their talks I presume Anakin might have brought up Padme once or twice, how is she doing, is she still beautiful, is she seeing anyone right now. Palps serves as a bridge between the two, he is your friend that works w/ an attractive person, that you want to know better. Palps would serve as an intemary, and would pretend to relay messages to Padme, and would give fake messages from Padme; which could be why Anakin is as deastated as he is, when Padme says she only thinks of him as that little boy . . .

I can also guess that Palps knows full well the Jedi code, as did Padme. He can encourage Anakin's feelings over Padme. And as far as Anakin's concerned, who better to turn to about his feelings, defitenely not Obi who will 'lecture' him about possession. And when Anakin's feelings crossed the Jedi Code, he would be right there w/ a better offer.

While Palps may not know Padme's feelings, or predict thier marriage, he knows Anakins feelings, and how to play with them.

 

Palpatine is looking to manipulate Anakin. But there's no immediate use for him. So what good would it do for Palpatine to make Anakin fall in love and break with the Order? Palpatine couldn't very well take him in at that point, and even if he wanted to he would still need Dooku around to help initiate the Clone Wars. So Anakin would be wasted.

Or consider this: maybe it wouldn't make sense for an 8 year old to develop sexual feelings for a girl, especially when trained to avoid attachment. Perhaps Palpatine would've thought along these lines.

Or lets go to the fatal flaw in this argument. Why would Palpatine know Padme's response? He only wokrs with her as a Senator, and often meets with her when many others are around (a la the Loyalist Committee). It's not like they have long private talks so he could figure out her psychology. In fact, in TPM he is consistently incorrect in guessing her reactions to things (remember how he said she would sign the treaty???). So why now, all of the sudden, would Palpatine be able to tell that she would recriprocate Anakin's feelings? Please don't tell me he was relying on something stupid and sexist like assuming that just because Padme's a young woman, she would just be unable to resist herself when around a man.

So if he can't gauge Padme's response, how could he know it would work. What logical reason did he have to believe that Padme wouldn't give Anakin the cold shoulder, disillusioning him and redoubling his commitment to the Jedi Order?

This theory seems full of holes to me.

 

Palpatine has forseen everything about Anakin. Everything except his Return...

 

The more I see the scene, the more sinister Palaptine seems...

 

I don't think he forsaw Luke and Leia coming. Feared Padme might have a child, but not forsaw it. I think he was counting on the two falling in love.

Unless Ep. 3 proves me wrong (and I don't know for sure, spoiler-free!), Palpatine didn't know or else he would have searched for a child.

 

I doubt he saw the exact details of the future, but he could pick up on Anakin's feelings toward her. When the right situation presented itself, he took advantage. HE new she would prove valuable in manipulating Anakin. If Anakin had been sent to Kamino than Palpy no doubt would have had a plan B somewhere.

You don't get to be Emperor with out a few backup plans.

 

I tend to say yes. Only because when the novel for Ep2 was released, there was an official site article about the convention/release party and the novel author described how "Palpatine meant to separate master from apprentice" and how he "thought that was very tricky on Palpatine's part".

Going from his statement, I can only assume he meant Palps realized Anakin would be without guidance and his emotions and temptations would likely get the best of him. Hmm, the plan worked.

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At the beginning of the film, Anakin was reckless and defiant, but still in control. By the end of the movie, he was so attached to Padme it was like night and day. "I don't care! Put the ship down!" And he was rushing into everything he faced.

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Or lets go to the fatal flaw in this argument. Why would Palpatine know Padme's response? He only wokrs with her as a Senator, and often meets with her when many others are around (a la the Loyalist Committee). It's not like they have long private talks so he could figure out her psychology. In fact, in TPM he is consistently incorrect in guessing her reactions to things (remember how he said she would sign the treaty???). So why now, all of the sudden, would Palpatine be able to tell that she would recriprocate Anakin's feelings? Please don't tell me he was relying on something stupid and sexist like assuming that just because Padme's a young woman, she would just be unable to resist herself when around a man.

So if he can't gauge Padme's response, how could he know it would work. What logical reason did he have to believe that Padme wouldn't give Anakin the cold shoulder, disillusioning him and redoubling his commitment to the Jedi Order?

So, what, she wouldn't be attracted to Anakin at all when he's showing off his Jedi skills to protect her, they're spending incredible amounts of time alone together, and much of it in an extremely lush and romantic setting? Would there be anything more he could do to try and load the dice?
I suppose Padme could prefer the company of women to men, which would put a significant kink in his plan.

Also, in TPM, he probably spent a lot less time around her. Once she became a senator, however, they would be closer physically than before. Besides, Padme's reaction doesn't matter so much; assuming she played the "We-can't-do-it-because-of-our-professions" card, Anakin would have a very good reason to leave the Jedi order. At least, he would suddenly be in doubt about his commitment...something Palps could exploit.

 

No, I don't think its fair to say that she would be attracted to Anakin just because he's protecting her. After all, this is the same "lush, tropical planet" she's lived on all her life, so this implication you're trying to make that it would increase the chances of romance a la "Stella Got Her Groove Back" doesn't really work.

And I don't see how protecting her is very impressive either. After all, as a former member of the Junior Senate, Queen, and now Senator, she's spent a very large portion of her life with security details. If it was that attractive, one would think she would've fallen for Panaka or someone a long time ago.

Point 3, they weren't there all alone. Or are you telling me that the young Senator saw to the upkeep of all those grounds, and cooked all those meals herself? Don't think so. This is part of the larger fact that she really didn't have to interact with him at all. For instance, being the dedicated Senator she is, she might have choosen to *gasp* actually get some work done instead of sitting around flirting with someone she knew as an 8 year old in which there was no possibility for sexual attraction.

Finally, I don't think we need to make the implication that Padme would be a lesbian in order to not fall for Anakin. Did it ever occur to you that even if she was physically attracted to him, she might have been turned off by his personality? I, anyway, was under the impression that humans were capable of something more than feral lust. Especially humans intelligent and capable enough to run a planet and then be Galactic Senator. But apparently, according to your theory, it's obvious to both the viewers and Palpatine alike that people lack not only any degree of self-control, but any criteria for affection other than a frightheningly superficial and mechanical view of their partner's body as an instrument of pleasure.

Really now, come on. I think we all realize that this can't be. When you consider Padme, even as a moment, for as a rounded character (or even as a flat character possessing the attributes displayed in TPM and earlier in AOTC) instead of as a mindless sex-addict with a raging libido, this "plan" becomes far too complex to manage. It all depends on the completely unknowable whims of one person's mind--the only thing no one else has access to. Ironic, then, that in an attempt to prove how Palpatine always has thorough and fool-proof plans, you attribute to him this most sloppy, this most fallible, this most fickle and unimaginable plan of all.

Unless anyone has any arguments more substantial, it's time to face the music: there's no way Palpatine could;ve planned this.