ST Did the LEGO Holiday Special influence your ST thoughts?

I was looking forward to the LEGO Holiday Special as it being the first post-ST canon work on screen (TV/film). I've ignored the books and comics because its clear to me that those narratives have to fit what's on screen and can be overruled.

Observations
- It starts off with some consistency from the ST movies. Rey, even while training, begins as a butt to Finn. Had to laugh at that.
- A strong attachment to the OT in the time travel scenes.
- I didn't know whether to laugh or facepalm at the Luke/Milk jokes.


The general feel I had - things seemed to reset to TFA. Kylo/Ben back to villain mode, Rey/Finn close again, there is supposed to be a real relationship between Luke/Rey.

 

It's a special for kids, that I'm pretty sure isn't meant to be canon, but I thought it was fun. I liked that Rey was training Finn, that she's having doubts about how to be a good Jedi Master. I enjoyed the call backs to all the previous movies. I thought it was funny. I liked that Rey had to learn over the course of the special that she should be a better friend to her friends, LOL.

The one thing that did bother me was the lack of Leia, though. They really built up Rey and Luke as having been this amazing master/padawan thing when canon just didn't give us that, lol. I get that for "Rey Skywalker" to land, they do have to sort of pretend it did, but they should've given some attention to Leia, considering she's the one who actually did teach Rey.

Oh and I'm sure the Kylo/Hux shippers enjoyed the bone the special gave them. I laughed.

 

It's just a silly fun special for kids with logic you probably shouldn't think too hard about.

 

maybe you've just described star wars as a whole. Love it!!

 

I was concerned at the use of time travel again. Sure, it's Lego animation, but I really don't have any appetite for either seeing the ST re-written (and I say that as someone who does't like the ST... but it is what it is) or, for example, Palpatine being saved from the DS2 by Snoke etc. But I keep telling myself... 'it's only a cartoon. It's only a cartoon'...

 

Its not canon. none of this stuff will suddenly be brought up later on. and if it was, it would be messy. they just had fun playing with time travel and didn't really think that hard about it. its just a comedic fun little animated special

 

who is claiming it’s canon? the op is just asking if it influenced anyone’s views on the actual ST.

anyways I haven’t watched it yet, but I have nothing else to do this morning so may as well give it a try, looks fun enough

 

I usually take stuff like this as semi-canon. It's an exaggerated depiction of a scenario I can buy.
Maybe Rey really just had a series of visions that helped her better understand how to tackle the burden of being a Jedi Master.
Maybe the gang did go to Kashyyyk for Life Day and Poe did get emotional, just without the knitted holiday sweater

I don't know if it affects my thoughts on the ST, though. It's just a bit of fun post-trilogy lore!

True. That is bothersome. Granted, Leia was never a Jedi apprentice in the movies, but they could've showed her being trained by Luke inbetween trilogies - and maybe one of Rey's own training sessions with Leia, to give Rey a new perspective on it.

Of course, this film is just an excuse to have fun with scenes we're familiar with across the Saga, but it's a little unfortunate that it ends up being just Rey and the boys.

Which brings me to:

Indeed! Why not balance things up a bit and make it even more hilariously complicated by involving characters from the first trilogy in the actual story? Have Sidious from two different eras, plus Vader, Maul, Obi-Wan, young Anakin etc fight over past/future betrayals and failures. A recipe for some epic fun!

BTW: I'm not very fond of Poe's reference to Jar Jar's Senate speech. It's nice that he's at least mentioned and I know it's meant to be in good fun, but to do it in the context of him bringing disaster upon the galaxy is still pretty meanspirited. It just adds fuel to the flame and is especially nasty coming from an official Lucasfilm product. Give the character a break, already!

 

That was my intention. I did use the word canon but I didn't mean in it being strict to the story. Yes - the holiday special is kids focused but that's the money Disney wants from SW - to loop in the kids which drives the families. How they represent their characters to kids is one of if not the biggest decision everyone makes at Disney each day.

The summary of what the ST was and how the galaxy stands post-ST does mean something. It reflects what Disney is trying to sell (like the first on-screen talk about Batuu/Galaxy Edge). Dismissing it would be a mistake.

All imo of course.

 

yes, this is a good point to keep in mind, having just watched it I think it did a decent job of that.

I was actually surprised at just how much ST focused this ended up being. Like the whole story is basically just Rey learning/realizing she needs to be a better friend. What a cool message.

also I loved seeing Max Rebo, it’s now my head canon that he survived the sail barge.

 

As I see it, Finn leaves the party with Rey: as the audience; we are Finn and, just like Finn, we don't get it at the end.

What's 'it'? It doesn't seem to be time travel. Rey doesn't travel to the future, since it's always in motion. And the past is not changed. If anything, Rey helps the past to happen as it did.

It's a metaphor about identity. Anakin made that same journey -he became his pre-Vader self after dying- and stayed there. Then he was 'purified': he's 23 as a FG. As if Vader never happened.

This little story happened after Exegol but before Tatooine, right? But in Tatooine the weapon goes from green to blue just before being ignited. Like that time travel crystal.

We see Anakin in ROTJ, but Ben is not seen again after disappearing in Exegol.

As if Jake Lloyd had been made a part of episode VII, with the past sleeping inside of him.

At some point (90s) Lucas woke 1983 Anakin up - after recognizing him. He had been there all along.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-anakin-built-c3po-george-lucas-1977/amp/

 

Yes - the story did become more ST focused as it went on. Four of the biggest debates of the ST post-mortem are the relationship of Rey with Finn, Luke, Kylo/Ben, Palpatine. This film addressed all of them in depth.

Rey/Finn - focus throughout highlights how Rey wasn't a friend to Finn in need - issues observed of the ST in the last 2 films. This seemed to rectify it.
Rey/Luke - could also add Rey/Leia. Despite minimal training by Luke in the films, this work still makes it clear that Luke is Rey's master.
Rey/Kylo/Ben - although Rey calls out for Ben to do good, this work doesn't put any illusions that Kylo was a sympathetic or good character or that the kids watching should feel sympathy for him. Him being Supreme Leaders is what it wanted to establish. In fact - Anakin/Vader gets that nod again as the sympathetic Skywalker.
Rey/Palpatine - no reference at all to their relationship.

Side note - that 45 minute cartoon did a better job of Palpatine being the big bad guy than TROS.

 

While the Special didn’t influence my thoughts on the ST, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Palpatine was brilliant and there was a bit of a Robot Chicken feel to some scenes. Time travel was a nice device for combining the different trilogies. Most importantly, kids will enjoy it. For kids who only really know the ST, it might spark some curiosity about the PT and the OT.

 

loved it made the sw world a united happy world in my head.. love seeing the three trilogies interlock so well and so funny... which is the main thing

 

I do not think Vader got a nod as sympathetic. Infact i notice with Vaded in these lego specials he is often a joke. Palpatine wants to replace Vader with Kylo, Vader is left irritated about being replaced. And there is another lego special made years ago that did something similar with Maul where Vaded was the jealous younger brother type figure when Maul comes home.

I mean there is even a moment where Vader is all "i'm coming my master" when palpatine is in trouble and next he is throwing him off into the reactor for being a mean to him.

So when you say sympathetic if you mean we are meant to feel bad for him getting replaced. Then yeah sure.

 

We love this special. It's a lot of fun and has some SW lore between the humor and silliness.

Simply put, I liked that we saw Rey start training someone, particularly Finn and Chewie actually getting to go back to Kashyyyk (which was needed). It was like a silly fun but meaningful epilogue.

 

Random thought: I realize that this is just a silly lego special, but one thing I hope LF doesn't do is make the Jedi texts into a deus ex machina. Oh look, I figured out to heal things thank to these old books. Oh yay, now I figured out how to time travel thanks to these books. I don't want the Jedi texts to become a license to introduce all kinds of super powers out of the blue and with minimal explanation.

 

i love

Love the milk drinking joke

 

Influence on my view on the ST? Almost nothing. But: I had fun, I finally saw the golden lightsaber in action plus now I can better imagine how Rey teaches Finn a bit after TROS.

 

No not really. It was funny though

 

Thats kinda what the ST is in a nutshell.