I suppose this could be in the general discussion forum, but because Vader's redemption happens in the OT, as does his death and the appearance of his force ghost, I figure it makes sense to post it here. Apologies if this has been talked about to death or covered in memes! I'm new here, so please be kind. I resonated with the idea that Luke's love for his father ultimately saved Vader and returned him to the light in Return of the Jedi. It was a beautiful moment and one that I always looked forward to when watching the trilogy. After so much heartache, pain, and death caused by Vader, and seeing Luke suffer as a result of Vader's malice, seeing Luke believe so strongly that there's good in his father despite everything he wrought was inspiring. It was and is a beautiful moment. Then we got the fall of Anakin Skywalker in the prequel trilogy. And...well...Anakin is a child murderer. Not just one child. But a murderer of children. This single act seems so unforgivable and so horrendous, that to this day I can't really say I "like" Darth Vader or find him sympathetic. Yes, he's probably the most famous and iconic villain in movie history, to the point of people getting tattoos of him and putting up posters of him in their rooms, but at the end of the day, this is someone who killed innocent kids because he felt like it. Even when I watch The Clone Wars, where Anakin is a sympathetic and likeable hero with faults aplenty, I can't shake the knowledge of what he will do in the future, and it makes me raise an eyebrow when people tell me that Anakin is their favourite character, or that he's "the real victim" of the story. Don't get me wrong, he was misled and lied to by the Jedi Council, but his subsequent decision to murder the younglings was so disproportionate to his plight that it made him utterly irredeemable to me, and not worthy of the praise or iconography that he gets. Nevermind the atrocities he commits after he actually becomes Darth Vader. Wearing a Vader t-shirt? You might as well slap a picture of Stalin on yourself and call it a day. Well, I'll leave this here as a starting point for this discussion. It is meant to be serious, but with a hint of tongue in cheek. Vader is compelling, and Anakin was a brave and selfless ally during the clone wars, but that single act tarnished his entire legacy to me, and made the redemption in RotJ not feel as pure and good as it did before we knew that Anakin slayed kids. And how do you think Luke would have reacted to Vader if he had known that his dad had committed such an act?! Feels like there's a satirical fan film to be made there. Just 5 minutes of Vader lying there and recounting all of his horrible past deeds to his son, who thinks he's a super good dude, would recommend! And then Luke just cringes and his face just becomes more pained the longer he listens. Thoughts or memes, anyone?