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Arena Discussion Time: Let's Talk About Drafts - next draft?

Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthIntegral, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, literally, the player database for OOTP is baseball-reference. So that's a good place to start.
     
  2. Wang Chi

    Wang Chi Jedi Master star 4

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    I'd definitely be curious to see one more month, as long as it isn't very much trouble. Very interesting. And also potentially very depressing....

    How did Russ Ford start 10 games just 29 games into the season?
     
  3. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Sure, but doesn't it translate those into ratings?

    PS, the whatif season mode search engine that I mentioned very early in the last draft, which is the best search engine I've found, also uses baseball-reference. So you can probably still use that to great effect.
     
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  4. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm planning on simming the entire season, just for posterity and getting you all info for keeper decisions.

    And you can set your rotation at any number between 1-6, and can default to "always pitch x if he's rested enough" despite rotation size. So, lots of ways to get pitchers extra starts
     
  5. Wang Chi

    Wang Chi Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh god. Old Hoss is going to start a hundred games next season.
     
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  6. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Especially given that Pointy can access the 1884 version!

    this is a really loaded question.

    OOTP is looking at the trajectory and likelihood of a player building in performance and promise. Players have two ratings, one for current level and one for potential. WAR is a great guide to get started, but age, injury history, and random luck will all factor in, among other factors, to how players perform. One year wonders (or twenty game wonders) get punished, and players with demonstrated durability and consistency get rewarded, typically.
     
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  7. cubman987

    cubman987 Friendly Neighborhood CT/PT/Saga/Fun & Games Mod star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Well I can already tell how things will go for me...
     
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  8. dp4m

    dp4m Also a Narc star 10

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    Yes, more or less this.

    Harry Stovey 1886 is the fastest person in WIS, give or take, but there's nothing per se to indicate why he'd get a 100 Speed with 68 steals and 26 caught (B-R also doesn't track CS for early players). A 72% -- and why is this better than Rickey's 1983 year (108 steals / 19 caught -- 82%), or years like Max Carey's 51 in 53 year, etc. Things like that, as well as if anything is weighted by era (i.e. the # stats in WIS)...
     
  9. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe we could send in scouting packets on a certain number of individuals per round to query for ratings? I dunno.
     
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  10. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    If you need any help fine-tuning settings I can do that @DarthIntegral . I've been playing OOTP for a few years, though I'm sticking with the 20 version for the time being.
     
  11. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you, mr two time? Love to maintain your dynasty. Love to get in there and get the sliders going for your guys. First steroids, now paying off the refs. What's next? Garbage cans?
     
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  12. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So, OOTP has a really robust online community and manual. This page in particular starts to detail the factors that go in to ratings. Plus, official OOTP forums and a subreddit.

    I mean, outside of buying the game and looking at player ratings, I'm not sure I can get much more specific. I'm certainly not going to export ratings for hundreds of players.

    I'm definitely willing to make this happen and give each team a "scouting budget"
     
  13. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So, here are two examples of how ratings look. I picked Babe Ruth (OF) and Pedro Martinez because I figure there is a zero percent chance Wang/tom aren't using keeper slots on them.

    For Ruth:

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    For Pedro:

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    Is that helpful to see how this sim starts to look at it?


    Also, here's an example of a clubhouse chemistry report:

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. dp4m

    dp4m Also a Narc star 10

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    Can I narc on John J McGraw now?
     
  15. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Basic reports at the team level:

    Batting stats:

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    Pitching Stats:

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    Fielding stats:

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    Team Batting Leaderboard:

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  16. dp4m

    dp4m Also a Narc star 10

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    Those stats are like the exact inverse of my WIS stats...
     
  17. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    maybe i should have hung on to mike trout.
     
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  18. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Would you send us our roster ratings before we make decisions to keep? Like in private?
     
  19. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    My experience tells me Mike Trout is probably the best player in the game.
     
  20. LloydChristmas

    LloydChristmas Baseball and Three-Time Jedi Draft Champion star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    "Here's Babe Ruth"

    "Here's Pedro"

    "Here's half of Lloyd's team absolutely hating Shaq cosplaying as his gf cosplaying as Jimmy Dugan for no reason"
     
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  21. mnjedi

    mnjedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Out of curiosity. Will there be expansion teams? Because I could see myself enjoying this.
     
  22. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If there are more teams added there should be an expansion draft of like 3 rounds to simulate keepers.
     
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  23. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    there is 100% an opportunity for new players to join, so please do!

    One of the benefits of going to OOTP is we can have any number of teams and it doesn't add to the work for me. So we don't need to lose existing GMs to add new GMs (though, we certainly can if players don't want to play again)
     
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  24. mnjedi

    mnjedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Awesome
     
  25. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    nope wrong thread
     
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