Discussion Diversity In the New Saga [See OP Warning]

Yeah, there is a lot of that sort of unrealistic combat in movies and shows. The issue with someone like Bruce Lee is a different story. Although he didn't have a large frame, he was massively strong and muscular; his upper body was incredibly strong and powerful if you ever read about the strength demos he use to put on. The fight scenes were incredibly real that he made in terms of actual technique. Something that has long been commented on by such a huge portion of those making "fighting films" was how Bruce Lee doesn't cut up the scenes like almost everyone else- he made it all real despite the dangers of it. They didn't have someone look like they could fight or kick ass, and have a lot of camera angles and cuts, he really COULD kick ass, and was a massive talent and athletic marvel/technician; he brought a different level of realism to his scenes, and was convincing. In a situation like that, a smaller-framed person still could make a realistic scene, but as you and others are saying, that isn't generally how it goes.

 

But it was in the movie made from the book. Once Emma Watson was case, the Hermione's ethnicity is "locked". Unless clearly marked as an AU/What If, it should not be changed.

Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Again, not what I'm talking about. "Integrity" in this context signifies remaining true to the established characteristics of the character and milieu. In other words, treating the characters and setting as if they were an extant "real" world. Violating that integrity for meta-textual reasons is at best off putting and comes across more often as pandering. And it was unnecessary as it would have been very easy to promote a character such as Dean Thomas to "lead" status, given them greater visibility.

 

Interestingly along those lines, George Takei, who played Sulu in Star Trek, was critical of making Sulu gay in the new Trek. He said it was out of step with the character that Roddenberry created, and said it was "really unfortunate." There is obviously little reason for him to be negatively biased given he is gay, and an LGBT activist. He felt that Roddenberry was supportive of LGBT, but that he was meticulous in his creation of characters, and had created Sulu as a heterosexual.

 

Why do some of you refer to non-white people as "people of colour"? Doesn't sound much different from calling them "coloured people" to me.

 

People supposedly said they were going to boycott episode 7 too, but I only found two obvious trolls on twitter who said they would. Media gives this crap way too much attention.

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that a person committed suicide because he found out that one of the two lead characters in Episode 7 was black. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

 

That's why it's always good to take things read over the Internet with a pinch of salt... And speaking of diversity in the Anthology movies, I must say that it's a good thing to have such a unique range of characters on hand... Reflecting the multiculturalism that is prevalent throughout the world today!


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Unfortunately the internet is full of echoing chambers, places in which racists feel validated and encouraged by other racists. It's a good thing places like this exist as well in which people from all different cultures can come together to discuss something they love.

 

The biggest echo chamber on the entire internet, is that of people calling other people racist, when it does not apply, at all.

 

I'm still thinking the best solution is to ditch all the human characters and put more alien leads in the movies. Technically SW has already that but it would be great to experiment this in live-action.

 

Star wars still casts white guys for the villains in the main cast, so they still have roles.

 

I don't care what race or gender you are. As long as you're a good actor, that's fine by me.

BUT...

If diversity becomes a mandate from the studio for the cast, well...I can't abide that at all.

 

i'd say it's already a mandate. Studios want to appeal to the vast asian markets that are going to be bigger than North American/European markets, so it makes good business sense to diversify the casts of these movies for the sake of paying customers. It's not like pandering to audience tastes is something new and insidious that has just infiltrated Hollywood in the last 5 years. I whine all the time that Hollywood isn't pandering exlusively to my particular tastes, but that gets my precisely nowhere. I just vote with my dollars and hope for the best.

 

Good. He should kill himself for that. Thanks for making the world a better place.

 

Isn't that the whole point of Yoda?

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George punching out Biff was stretching reality but still believable. What isn't realistic is Marty McFly and all 5 foot 4 inches of Michael J. Fox punching out Biff aka Thomas Wilson who stands 6 foot 3 and played football. Unless Marty hit him with a Little Mac star uppercut, Biff isn't going down.

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It's just not the cast that needs to be more diverse that would need to be changed up in order to reach the Asian market but really the movies themselves. While I TFA did pretty good in China it pales into comparison to what FF7 and Transformers 4 did. Those overall stories click better with those markets which is why I would not be shocked if Rogue One clicks better in the Asian market then TFA. Not so much about the diversity of the cast but rather the storyline being more linear and simplistic. I think it will translate to that market better then TFA which had a lot of backstories and inner woven emotional relationships. I could be wrong but my sense this type of movie (big action with a very simple/linear story line) will play better to Asian markets then the more space operatic episodes.

 

Question for something that may come up further down the line: In SWTOR the Chiss species are usually voiced by people with very deep voices. Even the ladies sound deep and less "dainty". Would an African American casting as a Chiss character (and thus having to be put in a blue shade of makeup all over their skin) cause an uproar? Or would fear of an uproar prevent the casting of AA actors in a Chiss role?

 

And now there is an "Anti-Trump" message thanks to those pesky Rogue One reshoots.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a51399/now-trump-supporters-are-boycotting-star-wars/

 

Oh lord since R1 is going to open lower the TFA you know they're going to claim their boycott worked.

 

good. **** trump.

 

AGREED!!!

I also don't care that much about color, as long as you some actor that everybody want to give you an award to!

Denzel Washington, Samuel L Jackson, Will Smith, Forest Whittaker those are actors everybody want to give award to, so of course not a care by me whatever role they want they can have it.

 

These idiotic white supremacists who want to "boycott" Star Wars are such a joke. There is a huge all white, non-alien presence in Star Wars. It's called the Empire. And just like the white supremacists here, they are tyrannical, closed minded, bigoted, and represent the worst of what humanity has to offer. Maybe they should go see Rogue One and root for the Empire. After all, it doesn't go THAT badly for the Empire until ROTJ. Things are going along pretty well from Rogue One through ESB. Sure, sure, there's the whole Death Star setback, but overall they're doing fantastic right up until the darn Battle of Endor debacle

There must be a LOT of movies these people boycott. Life has to be really sad when you go through it with such a narrow view and find reasons to hate everything and everyone. Those are the real examples of the dark side of the Force.