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Do Star Wars fans complain to much?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by WhiskeyGold, Jul 27, 2004.

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  1. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Nov 13, 2001
    This isn't to bash fans cause I am the biggest one. But I've been reading over post on here and other forum. Do Star Wars fan complain to much?
    I see post of people upset that Lucas has changed thing in the classic series. Then post of people complaining that he didn't make it better, or they didn't change things they would have. It's just fun, to me, that people that say they love Star Wars so much can find so much to be upset about.
    Is it just me?
    I mean I've seen some complain about the little's things. Luke/Vader saber color or english writting on the Tracker Beam. Some fans just nickpick about the little stuff and then complain if things are changed.

    I just don't get it. I love Star Wars. Sure I dont love the new greedo shot first but I don't herp on it. I mean that was made over 5 years ago. I moved on and can watch Star Wars with the same love as I did before.

    Also there is a lot of Lucas bashing. The man that gives us Star Wars is bashed. That's just sad. He does all this for his fans, for Star Wars. He wants us the have the best possiable six part movie. What other movie Dir has taken the time to bridge six movies together so nicely?
  2. basiclee

    basiclee Jedi Youngling

    Jul 26, 2004
    I wouldn't consider myself a fan, merely somone who enjoys the films, but I believe Star Wars fans do complain too much, after all, its a series of films, very good films, with a very rich story and EU, but after all, its still a series of films, and no one gets quite so worked up about mistakes and simlar things in most other films...
  3. fosh-bantus88

    fosh-bantus88 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Oct 27, 2003
    star wars fans do complain alot. but they dont complain becasue they dont like star wars, they complain because they think its in danger of being ruined.

    the very highest level of "canon" consists of the original versions of the films. we complain becasue we want to preserve those from people who want to tamper with them, no matter who it is.
  4. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Feb 3, 2002
    Honestly, I do think so. But part of it is because we've seen these movies so many times that we know every little detail. We're able to nitpick.

    I mean, I think ANH is the greatest movie ever made, but my "complaints list" for it is about a mile long. I've only seen "Coneheads", which I did not find a brilliant film, once. Therefore I don't have quite as much to complain about in it. Just the basics.

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  5. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 20, 2003
    I think Adam is right on the money on this one

    -Jedi Master Zax Starwalker
  6. PloKloon1138

    PloKloon1138 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Apr 5, 2001
    How many ways can you say "yes"?
  7. darth-amedda

    darth-amedda Jedi Padawan star 4

    Aug 8, 2003
  8. Spike_Spiegel

    Spike_Spiegel Former FF Administrator Former Saga Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Aug 12, 2002
    I'd like this to be more of a discussion rather than a simple yes or no. Remember, intelligent discussion is what makes this forum. If not this would be SWC. ;)

  9. MatthewZ

    MatthewZ Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Sep 21, 2003
    Do Star Wars fans complain to much?

    It seems to be our lot in life.
  10. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Nov 22, 2002
    I think many SW fans are very passionate about the films, and so if something occurs that they feel is to the detriment of these films then they might respond in equally strong ways.
  11. Vongchild

    Vongchild Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Apr 2, 2004
    Do star wars fans complain too much?

    the answer is a resounding yes!
  12. BobaNotJodo

    BobaNotJodo Jedi Youngling

    Jul 29, 2004
    I can't believe Greedo shot first! I totally missed that in my 1987 VHS edition! Oh BTW, Lucas created the summer blockbuster. He can do whatever he wants. Complaining fans can go herd some nerfs!
  13. Leveler

    Leveler Jedi Youngling star 1

    Jul 26, 2004
    They absolutely do, yes.
  14. topgoalscorer_no11

    topgoalscorer_no11 Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jul 23, 2001
    the very highest level of "canon" consists of the original versions of the films. we complain becasue we want to preserve those from people who want to tamper with them, no matter who it is.

    To me, phrases such as 'the highest level of canon' introduce a rather sinister quasi-religious aspect to the enjoyment of Star Wars.

    To some it seems that Lucas is a rather minor prophet-turned-heretic, and that Saint Kurtz and Pope Kershner show the only true path to the light side.

    Perhaps some take it all a little too seriously.
  15. BobaNotJodo

    BobaNotJodo Jedi Youngling

    Jul 29, 2004
    Minor prophet turned heretic?!?! Blasphemy!!! If we don't take Star Wars serious then what else do we have?
    Life? Like on Earth? There are no lightsabres, X-wings,
    Ewoks or Salacious Crumbs! All we have are boring things like cars and airplanes and um, well, gerbils! Star Wars is everything!!!!
  16. saberwielder76

    saberwielder76 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Jan 13, 2001
    Yes, I think that Star Wars fans can complain too much. I was talking with one of my friends last night, and the title of Ep III came up. He said he didn't know it, so I told him. He said that it was the stupidest thing that he has ever heard. He then said "What, is GL going to change the title to Return Of The Sith because revenge is too violent to be in the title?"

    Now, this is a guy who has claimed to be a dyed in the wool Star Wars fan since he was little. He started on a rant on how GL is a raving egomaniac who will only do things his way, and he is sick of people kissing Lucas' butt. He even went as far as to say that Lucas is a jerk for not allowing the new Star Wars movies to be played in theaters that didn't have the right sound system. Or that they wouldn't play in a drive in theater so people wouldn't be able to see it, and that Lucas is doing it all for the money. I asked him if that was the case, why does he continue to give Lucasfilm money by seeing the movies, buying the toys, books, DVD's, etc if he doesn't like it anymore. He said that it's because he liked Star Wars before Lucas came along and ruined it. Sounds to me like my friend is complaining simply to complain. But he's been like that for the past 14 years that I have known him, so I should have expected it by now.

    This particular friend also loved TPM when it first came out. Loved it. Then after he saw AOTC, he was going on about how TPM sucked because AOTC had the Star Wars feel to it, and TPM didn't. Wonder what he'll say about AOTC when Ep III is out? Probably the same thing. And I am sure that I will hear a whole slew of complaints when he gets the OT DVD's this Sept.

    I also think that alot of people have jumped on the bandwagon because it has become the in thing to complain about Star Wars. Be it changes to the OT, the way the prequels have turned out so far, or saying that GL has "raped their childhoods". Whatever.

    It seems to me that alot of the "fans" I personally know who complain about the way that the saga has gone are just upset because it hasn't met their preconcieved notions of what it should be. Well, I think that no matter what Lucas would have done, that there would have been fan complaints. No movie could live up to the hype of a new Star Wars trilogy. And all the complaining in the world won't make any difference.

    Were there things that I would have liked to see in the prequels instead of what was done? Yes. Do I constatnly complain about it? No. I take it for what it is, and have enjoyed it. It's the same with the Special Editions.

    I don't let the naysayers sway me. Let 'em complain instead of enjoying SW if they want. It won't take away from my enjoyment of it.
  17. LottDodd

    LottDodd Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 4, 2002
    yes they do.
  18. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

    May 23, 2001
    Yeah man, SW fans complain too much. I even saw a guy in the TPM forum who said he can't stand the podrace. can you believe the that?
  19. xoliver

    xoliver Jedi Youngling star 2

    Aug 3, 2001
    Yup. A lot of Star Wars fans are extraordinarily selfish and possessive. Which is really ironic.
    The message is you can?t possess things. You can?t hold on to them. You have to accept change. You have to accept the fact that things transition. And so, as you try to hold on to things or you become afraid of?that you?re going to lose things, then you begin to crave the power to control those things. And then, you start to become greedy and then you turn into a bad person.
    The film [Episode I] is ultimately about the dark side and the light side, and those sides are designed around compassion and greed. The issue of greed, of getting things and owning things and having things and not being able to let go of things, is the opposite of compassion?of not thinking of yourself all the time.
    Some of us need to take a step back and think how absurd it is, for instance, to pass judgement on the *title* of a film you haven't even seen.
  20. HothIcePrincess

    HothIcePrincess Jedi Youngling star 1

    Mar 31, 2001
    I'm glad someone brought this up. It's amazing how much people complain, and I think its the in-thing to bash SW.

    Part of it is that some people are just plain negative people. You know 'em. They bring everything down when you are with them and they complain about everything. And some people are just plain pessimists. There's a great line in the movie "Say Anything" about how maybe being a depressed person (and I think you could insert pessimistic) might be the way to go as then everything in life is a pleasant surprise. Lowering their expectation raises their hopes.

    I took my mom to AOTC (she's familiar with the movies, but not a raving fan) and her reactions were delightful, unspoiled, non-critical. She gasped, chuckled, cheered at all the right places, and turned to me with real angst when Anakin finds his mom and said, "Is she going to DIE???!!"

    My older sister (who took me to ROTJ when I was a kid) on the other had is one of those negative people. She could point out everything wrong (in her NSHO) with the film. She had the arrogance to call it "flawed." What bothered me was not that she thought it was flawed, but that she thought she was the SW expert, with some sort of genius knowledge of how it should be. She went into it looking for flaws.

    Perhaps its jealousy that motivates some people. This is GL's baby, and he has the power, creativity, moolah, time, energy, connections, etc. to create this universe, and man, wouldn't it be nice if we could too...

    That said, I think if we all just sat back and enjoyed the films, without looking for flaws, we wouldn't find any. That's the way I watched the OT back a long time ago...

    Thanks for listening :)
  21. jakbar316

    jakbar316 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Jun 27, 2004
    Definately. George Lucas was the one who made the OT in the first place. Without him there would be no star wars period. Besides, I like change, and I like keeping things fresh, so the new changes don't bother me at all.
  22. DarthLazious

    DarthLazious Jedi Youngling star 4

    Jan 24, 2003
  23. GrandAdmiral_Frank

    GrandAdmiral_Frank Jedi Padawan star 4

    Aug 26, 2003
    I'm starting to see that I can't change what is in SW or what GL does. Complaining what help either. So instead of whining that Anakin should have been a little more darker in AOTC I just will sit back and just accept SW like I did when I was a kid.

    I realize now I collect more but I do get picky over some things. I miss the days when I just watched Star Wars for Star Wars instead of saying I hope that Ben's lightsaber is blue for the DVD's or I wish that the Ewoks were shown as more brutal in battle.

    We are the ones who are the hardcore SW fans and we need to show it by just loving Star Wars.

    But on one point things like lightsaber colors and what not do give us something to discuss on the boards so maybe we only do it on the boards? Who knows?
  24. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Oct 2, 2000
    Yeah, when it get's down to actually watching an episode of Star Wars, most of us can't help but love it, I believe.
    I think many of us just watch Star Wars too little and discuss it too much. Or, we watch too much and discuss too much.
    I've been in the first category, where I've been here discussing the movies for months without watching a single episode. My views of the movies then get twisted around by everybody. Before too long, I'll agree to almost anything. "Jar Jar has too much screentime", yes that's probably right. "No he doesn't", now when you look at it that way, YOU are right....
    Then, when I actually watch the movie, I see that I don't at all think the way I've been led to believe the past months. I LOVE Star Wars. I love almost every single minute of it, no matter how much screentime Jar Jar has. I actually enjoy his antics very much.
    So what I'm trying to say here is that we should all watch the movies now and then(not every single week of our life) and come here to discuss with a clear opinion in fresh memory. Then we won't complain as much, I think. Or hope....
  25. Krash

    Krash RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Oct 11, 2000
    we complain becasue we want to preserve those from people who want to tamper with them, no matter who it is.
    It's not tampering when "the maker" is the one doing the changes. While I may/may not like changes George Lucas makes to the films...the fact remains, they are HIS films.

    I do think TOO many fans and "fanboys" alike complain about Star Wars. They act like they are the supreme source of what SW is all about and should be about. And while I like to debate about some of the little things we fans discuss here on the boards, I have NO problem with the fact that I do not have all the answers.
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