ST Do you think more people will warm up to the ST 15-20 years from now?

Things evolve. often things become more appreciated than not.

 

Then i think thats an issue with society. If someone can't watch a movie telling a story without examining the sexist and racial prospects. then movies are in for a complicated and messy ride moving toward.

I just read an article that filmmaker Denis Villeneuva said he felt the series died after ROTJ. yes after ROTJ. he didn't like that movie and gave up on Star Wars. but that was purely from a artistic standpoint. not not a political way of making movies standpoint.

 

people can call out and criticize the problematic elements while still also supporting the positive aspects that they did like

I generally think that Rey, Finn, and Poe are still interesting characters, and that people would still be interested in better told stories featuring them, it’s their strong introductions in TFA that I feel still holds a lot of appeal, and why I think despite the problematic aspects remain popular, I know not everyone thinks that, but we’re speaking generally here

 

'Better at featuring non white leads'....that is a strange comment regarding TLJ.
First of all, RJ gave an Asian actress a major role in his film.
Secondly....Finn was reduced to comic relief in TFA apart from the last ten minutes, and his depiction was embarrassing beyond relief in TROS. His character had far more 'serious' scenes in TLJ. And his potential for leading a stormtroopers' revolt in TROS was handed over to Jannah, and although I like Naomi she was just a female Finn.

As for him being Rey's love interest......post TFA and before TLJ Daisy Ridley herself stated that her relationship with Finn was that of two good friends, not potential lovers.

As for TLJ being seen as 'trashy' and 'pretentious'....we never know how kind history will be to the movies of the present, but I DO know TLJ received a great deal of critical acclaim. So I doubt if it will be seen as a 'badly made trash'.

 

TLJ getting critical acclaim is one of the great mysteries of my life.

 

One man's meat is another man's poison.
I actually thought Driver and Hamill's performances in TLJ were incredible - better than some who've won Oscars.

But then I've always thought the Oscars were biased regarding sci fi, comedy, or horror movies!

 

I liked Hamill’s performance a lot

I didn’t like Driver’s performance, but that’s mostly just because I don’t like the character

 

Nah. Critics who gave glowing reviews knew it would allow them continued privileged access to Disney stuff.

You see it fairly often with big movies these days.

 

That might explain Jungle Cruise getting decent reviews.

 

They weren't as 'glowing' with TROS!

 

I actually thought that Finn and Rey were very much like brother and sister, but I wonder if that's due to the real relationship between Daisy and John.

 

Rey and Finn needed to be a couple to make a statement about racial and sexual stereotyping. for no other reason but that statement.

So in years to come I'm sure people will judge this trilogy purely by the lack of that statement. for social and political correction.

And possibly the story too.

 

But didn't we get that with Finn and Rose?

 

For me he did a good job but I still hurting remember the unfavourable overacting on Crait. Rian should've had an eye on that.

But all in all I feel that some people are a bit biased when it comes to rank the acting in the ST. I mean, you also said it: you don't like the character.

Regarding the current topic: I don't think TLJ's reputation will change soon - in no direction.

 

Yes.
Paige Tico, played by an Asian actress, destroys the dreadnought.
DJ, played by a Hispanic actor, both helps the heroes.....by stealing a ship and picking them up, and unfortunately, then turns them over to the FO. Not good...but impacting the plot.
Poe Dameron, played by a South American actor, three times impacts the plot. He leads the ill fated mission to destroy the dreadnought, leads the remaining Resistance members to attack the FO on Crait, launches a well meaning but foolish mutiny, and last but by no means least, steps up as leader at the end and makes the decision to follow the crystal foxes. This leads them to the cave exit. Although blocked Rey manages to arrive and use the Force to remove the rocks, thus freeing the last members of the Resistance.
Also, interesting fact....of the three 'heroes', Rey, Finn and Poe, two are people of colour.
Of the three 'villains', Kylo, Phasma and Hux....all are white.

 

Well, I just saw TLJ again in the Twitter culture wars so I think it’s safe to say it’s going to take awhile before any narrative other than “hating TLJ means you’re an unenlightened -ist” breaks through. Sigh.

 

As a young 'un, I used to get upset if someone disliked something I loved.
Now, as an old 'un, I couldn't care less.

 

The side plots in The Last Jedi felt to me like Rian begrudgingly include them, and that if he had a choice, he would not have even included these characters at all if he didn't have to, because his mains focus was his story about Luke and Kylo's squabble. Even Rey was reduce to a go-between.

I think that all Rian had in mind were the flashback scenes and the end "twist", and so he built an entire film around those two things, with the side plots as just incidental, but not important to him.

 

Well, LFL wanted a female lead since Lucas was there still. And then Abrams advocated for a black lead.

One just needs to see what is happening with black actors across Hollywood. They just need to appear everywhere now. Superman, Batwoman, Batgirl, Mary Jane Watson... One wonders if social inclusion realtes to other races as well.

In the case of Rey and Finn, they had no chemistry at all. If they had been paired after TFA, I would have been super forced. Not that this would have mattered much. You just need to see how little chemistry was between Rey and Kylo. Or between Anakin and Padme even.

Impossible for me seeing people warming up for a set of films done with poor story telling, no innovation at all in designs of themes...

 

Now that is certainly an opinion. i never see any romance between the 2 of them. i didn't come out of that movie thinking ah these 2 are gonna get together. and most people will use the race card and say ah you didn't see it because he was black. well even if he was white, i wouldn't have seen it. the script never implied that. and again other will argue well they could have done it in later movies... well thats different. it certainly wasn't implied in TFA. it just wasn't there. some may see it. others don't see it. there is no right or wrong.