ST Domhnall Gleeson (General Hux) in Episode VII

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I'll link you to what I posted in the Pip thread so as not to derail: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/pip-andersen-in-episode-vii.50021500/page-9#post-51856486

 

He's "third" most likely because he was the lone young white male at the table read which leads to hopes from many for many months that he is playing Luke's son. You can make an argument he is the second most popular of the new cast because there has been almost next-to-nothing in terms of news and rules to go by regarding Gleeson and yet his thread page count has always remained close to Boyega's.

 

Yep guys, to be honest, assuming he is the third lead right now is closer than ever to wishful thinking. Right now Luke´s character looks miles away from having a family, based on the rumors. If there really is a third lead (which we know we are, but right now Ridley and Boyega seem to be the spot light compared to the third lead), I would bet my money Gleeson is not the one.

 

He may indeed not have had to be in London at all, yet he was.

The announcement was a big deal and Lucasfilm/Disney - they weren't announcing bit characters like masked bounty hunters and minor politicians.

You separated the open call actors from the rest of the announced actors which you labeled as major players. This indicated that you do not consider the open call actors to be major players but consider the rest of the announced actors to be major players. Even actors who were not at the script read or were announced later. Since you and I know that not every announced actor is a lead, that means you consider some supporting actors in the major players category. So now by saying you do not consider Clarke and Andersen's roles to be insignificant, it places them in a very strange and elusive spot which makes one wonder why they are where they are in your reasoning.[/quote]

That wasn't my intention, but I do see why you thought that - I had "major players, open cast call and the prize winner." - the fault for your misunderstanding lies with me as I phrased it badly.

What I meant was that the cast announcements were limited to the big announcement, the Thomas/Rachel characters - that any other actors would not have significant roles and will not be getting official announcements - , and the charity prize winner, for obvious reasons.

I counted Lupita and Christie as part of the "major playlers/big announcement" simply because they will be, but I said earlier, I just thing that Gleeson a bigger role - that it is between him and Issac to be in the new Big 3, if Driver really is a villain (If Driver is a Solo, that may well be out the window too )

No, my feeling is that Clarke and Anderson will be important, but not as much as Gleeson, Issac or Von Sydow.

I don't know the significance of him being white, but there is still Issac and Driver.

The new Big 3, could just as easily be be two heroes and a villain, or two heroes and a shifty criminal type, or one of each.

Everything we've got is more or less "wishful thinking".

It is the best we can do.

 

how much?

 

Let´s say a good gin tonic. One with Brockman´s and Feber Tree.

 

I don't think it's Gleeson either.

My money is on Driver or most likely Isaac (who I still think might be Lando's kid or at least fills that role somehow or other (protege/ whatever).

 

I'll take that bet. I'll go with Tanqueray Ten.

 

I´d go for Driver too. With Isaac playing a strong supporting role. Although I suspect is Luke and Daisy are what they are lately rumored, probably Driver dies at the end of VII. I expect one of the new face to die.

 

I think Driver probably is one of the villains. I'm still not sure that was him in the Greenham pic.

 

I think he will be the third lead even being the villain. Just a guess, although he was listed third in the cast reveal.

 

It's natural that he's popular. Of the remaining new cast members at the table read, he most resembles Luke's potential offspring, particularly with Mara Jade.

Personally, I think he looks a lot like General Madine.

 

Dom's a great actor if you can play all the characters

 

Oliver Ford Davies, the guy that played Sio Bibble, got seventh billing and was one of eleven actors to attend the script read for TPM. The same number which attended the Episode 7 script read.

These were the 11 actors who attended the TPM script read.

Ewan McGregor - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Natalie Portman - Queen Amidala
Jake Lloyd - Anakin Skywalker
Ian McDiarmid - Senator Palpatine
Pernilla August - Shmi Skywalker
Oliver Ford Davies - Sio Bibble
Hugh Quarshie - Captain Panaka
Ahmed Best - Jar Jar Binks
Andy Secombe - Watto
Silas Carson - Nute Gunray and Ki-Adi-Mundi
Dhruv Chanchani - Kitster

Leaving out

Liam Neeson - Qui-Gon Jinn
Anthony Daniels - C-3PO
Kenny Baker - R2-D2
Frank Oz - Yoda
Terence Stamp - Chancellor Valorum
Brian Blessed - Boss Nass
Ray Park - Darth Maul
Lewis Macleod - Sebulba
Warwick Davis - Wald
Steve Speirs - Captain Tarpals
Jerome Blake - Rune Haako and Mas Amedda
Alan Ruscoe - Daultay Dofine and Plo Koon
Ralph Brown - Ric Olie
Samuel L. Jackson - Mace Windu
etc


Episode 7

Mark Hamill
Harrison Ford
Carrie Fisher
Anthony Daniels
Peter Mayhew
Daisy Ridley
John Boyega
Adam Driver
Oscar Isaac
Domhnall Gleeson
Andy Serkis

Leaving out...

Kenny Baker
Max von Sydow

Gwendoline Christie
Lupita Nyong'o

Pip Andersen
Crystal Clarke


Now obviously not everything will match up perfectly in terms of number of characters and role sizes and it's obvious why some actors were not at the script reads, but it gives some perspective to the idea that Gleeson could easily be playing someone as important as Sio Bibble just as much as he can be playing the next Obi-Wan Kenobi or Kitster.

 

I wonder if anyone in the cast will play more than one role, however small.

 

Andy Serkis is a very likely one for that.

 

Now that you mention it, the resemblance is uncanny

 

And here's why he's probably playing a character of some importance - if not in this film, then in the next two:

Gleeson is currently very hot. He's been given his pick of cool, interesting film roles, including leading and headlining roles. His next film has him starring alongside Tom Hardy and Leonardo DiCaprio. No offense to Oliver Ford Davies or Hugh Quarshie, but Gleeson is in a completely different place, careerwise.

Actors know being hot and in demand does not last forever, and they employ agents and managers to help them manage their careers so it extends as long as possible. Also, he's done the "play a small role in a giant fan-favorite franchise to jumpstart a career" thing with Harry Potter and he doesn't need to do it again.

To take a role in SW - one that stops him from taking a role in another film at a time when he's an in-demand actor - it would need to be a pretty substantial offer, either moneywise or careerwise. Otherwise, he's stopping the forward motion of what is shaping up to be a good career, and it's hard to restart momentum once it's lost.

So I'm putting my money on Gleeson having a meaningful role - even if his screen time might not be substantial in this film.

 

If he is Luke's son, I picture him meeting Ridley and Boyega during their "search for Luke" as a rather unassuming and unthreatening young man who helps them out of a jam. He introduces himself simply as "Ben" (echoing ANH and making EU fans start to murmur with excitment). He seems to know more than he's letting on, and there's some mistrust at first, but he plays a crucial role in the gang safely reaching Skellig (becoming close friends along the way), where he eventually reveals himself as "Ben Skywalker", Luke's son, apprentice, and Daisy's cousin.
I don't like the idea of the Skywalker and Solo kids growing up without knowing each other, but it seems like it might be that or no Skywalker kids at all at this point and that's how I might do it.

 

I was just going to say that just because he could be a bit player in this one doesn't mean he won't be a big player in the last two films.

 

Lupita Nyong'o just won an Academy Award, yet she has a part in this film. Is she too playing a substantial role in this film that is equal to Daisy Ridley, Domhnall Gleeson, John Boyega, Adam Driver, Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Oscar Isaac, and Carrie Fisher? If she's playing a role the size of Captain Panaka or Watto, somebody better tell her she just killed her career.

I'm just playing devils advocate. When someone says Clarke and Andersen have minor roles, I say it might not be true. If someone says Gleeson and Sydow have major roles, I say it might not be true.

Like Samuel L. Jackson his role could be smaller in this film and expanded upon in the next one. Or it could go the opposite way like Ahmed Best or Pernilla August. But I think speculation about his role can go from Luke's son to a quirky space pirate.

 

what gives me hope (even though everyone has signed NDAs) is that gleeson said in an interview something about how he cant say much about his character because it would give away the whole movie or something along those lines. makes me think if not a skywalker then at least an important part

 

Not being privy to any insider knowledge, I couldn't possibly state whether this is even close to what we'll actually see in theaters next year.

But I will say this much: Your description is almost word-for-word exactly what I hope to see happen in Episode VII (well, that, and no 'Luke is an evil cyborg' weird stuff).

 

Not exactly what I expect.

But I love it