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Books A/V Dooku: Jedi Lost, a stand-alone original audio drama

Discussion in 'Literature' started by GrandAdmiralJello , Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    I think Tarre Viszla is old republic timeline material, Pre Viszla mentions that the mandalorians took the saber during the fall of the old republic and Fen Rau mentions Tarre Viszla is over a 1000 years old ago.
     
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  2. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Republic did fall when the Sith took Coruscant, and all.
     
  3. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Some days I wonder why the TOR MMO feels so much more like the early times of the Galactic Dark Ages and New Sith Wars. And there they did briefly sack Coruscant only to ransom it away for something else. I could even imagine Tarre Viszla working alongside Shae Viszla when storming the Jedi Temple.

    If we presume the Golden Age between KOTOR and TOR suffices or is a bit stretched longer, one might condense the timeline to have TOR be in the NSW, kinda. Well in a canon version of Legends events at least. Though who or how Ruin then fits, hmm? I'd opt for linguistics to solve this issue: We already have Revan / Rivan divide, be it a Revan fanboy taking a wrong name, or Revans name over time being dilluted to Rivan or Revanchists and Revanites as Knights of Ren. So why not have Ruin be Revan/Rivan too.

    Revan... (e turns i)
    Rivan... (v turns u)
    Riuan... (a is dropped)
    Riun... (switch i and u)
    Ruin

    Not so hard it seems linguistically...

    Still leaves some storytweaks and shenangians though...
     
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  4. Jedi Comedian

    Jedi Comedian Jedi Master star 3

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    I'm pretty sure the line in TCW about Pre Vizsla's ancestors stealing the darksaber from the Jedi Temple was meant to be a direct shout out to Share Vizla and TOR (specifically the Deceived trailer, which was released the year before The Mandalore Plot). It's just later they decided to expand it into something different.
     
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  5. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    I think now Tarre Viszla is catalyst for the Mandalorian wars, with them not getting his laser sword and they feeling like the jedi disrespects them.
     
  6. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I'd have more enthusiasm for the High Republic if it could get a Zayne Carrick, Gryph and gang feeling going... thrown around between all factions.

    New Canon kinda sounds like the pre-Ruusan war stuff is all a mix of "ancient" wars without going into details like Legends did. But post canon Ruusan Reformations the timeline looks eerily familiar compared to Legends post TOTJ!

    Post TOTJ Legends had Mando Wars followed by KOTOR, then 300 year break and the TOR MMO Saga.

    Canon has post Ruusan/Bane, a Jedi-Mando war leading to TCW Mando as we saw it, followed centuries later by the High Republic era whose art sneakpeaks so far look very KOTOR-esque to me in design and also like KOTOR with its hidden Sith, charge into the Unknown territories to find a hidden enemy. 300 years later you got the Saga.

    Does canon condense the timeline in that way from 5000 to 1000 years after all? Merging NSW with OSW? They still kept some dates like 7000BBY Sith foundation. But that aside, most aligns as noted above.
     
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  7. Jid123Sheeve

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    That's because they were making it up as they went along and also...Video game design vs Comic design and all that jazz ;p

    Possibly there was never a break between wars...It was just several elongated Jedi/Sith conflicts that never ended until the big last great battle occurred.
     
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  8. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I imagine Legends would have eventually had a 4,000 year long Jedi-Sith War, to be honest.
     
  9. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I kinda wonder why the non-Forcies in the GFFA never voted for a Mando Chancellor, the only people that could take a Jedi or Sith one on one and imprison them successfully. (well... Mandos and Hondo but that is another story!)

    I mean, Mandalore can do peaceful, headed the Council of Neutral Systems even. And Mandos in most cases post-Taung only took up arms when being involved in Jedi-Sith wars, either being forced to work for the Sith or when helping the Jedi against them. Free of any Jedi or Sith influence they did how many wars? None, aside inner clan rivalries.

    And I kinda want to see how a Mando Chancellor will shape the GFFA politics. They are traditionalists, bank on honor and values and are clearcut, not deceptive. They can rule with a strong hand yet fair and be kind and gentle and specialise in family values and childcare even. Even if preparing kids for war, they do not want it but prepare for all necessities should they arise.

    Din Djarin for Chancellor post IX?


    Edit:

    PS: Mandalorians are an interesting lot. Lately their depiction is based on various real world influences ranging from rural Samurai clans to Iron Man to nordic Viking tribes. Nomadic Mongol hordes too in earlier times and maybe a bit of the ancient chinese or general medieval system of war readiness in general population and raising instant armies from every family, clan and village by Imperial decree.
    What other influences did you spot in their culture and depictions?
     
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  10. Jid123Sheeve

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    It's part of the Old Republic MMO [face_laugh] the war that never ends.
     
  11. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    I like it if we had a few peace times around the whole jedi-sith wars. The jedi or sith regroup and heal. And have also small conflicts.
     
  12. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Good news! Looks like there will be a paperback after all. Looks like it'll be meatier than regular SW paperbacks though with that price tag.
     
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  13. IG_2000

    IG_2000 Force Ghost star 4

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    I am listening to this now and kind of scratching my head at Sifo Dyas sounding like Pim from Smiling Friends
    [​IMG]
     
  14. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    Why I prefer to read stuff instead of listening to audiobooks.
     
  15. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I wonder if any of this story gets reconned by TOTJ...
     
  16. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    The majority of Jedi Lost takes place when Dooku is younger so for the most part they will be in different time periods. It is possible but with there only being three Dooku episodes (which likely will be action heavy) chances are probably pretty slim the show will retcon anything from the book.
     
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  17. ConservativeJedi321

    ConservativeJedi321 Force Ghost star 6

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    This is my concern to, this is my favorite new canon story and I hope they tiptoe around it where they can.

    The most likely contradiction based on what we know is when Dooku leaves the Order. While its mostly speculation at this point, in this story and Master and Apprentice its said Dooku left the Order to take up his title at least a decade before TPM.
    Based on the Previews Dooku still dresses as a Jedi and wields his lightsaber after TPM because that is almost certainly when his duel, and probable murder, of Yaddle takes place. If that's Yaddle's funeral we're seeing, then it's likely he would still be a Jedi at the time since he is attending it.
    But as I've said before if we REALLY wanted, we could handwave the end of this story as I suggested for the One Canon project.
    After dealing with the Pirates Dooku suggests leaving the Order, but Yoda encourages him to keep his saber and says he's still a Jedi. He could be in a grey area where he still officially works for the Order, while spending most of his time on Serenno and dabbling in the dark arts.
     
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  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    We were right.
     
  19. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Has it been confirmed, now.:cool:
     
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  20. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I believe even in Padawan, when Obi-Wan is 16 and has relatively recently been apprenticed to Qui-Gon, Dooku had already left the Order.

    Maybe it could be hand waves by having Dooku still interact with the Jedi and wearing Jedi like clothing, but he'd left or was on some sort of sabbatical before becoming one of the Lost.

    Sinre Edit: Did you seriously just spoil TotJ?
     
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  21. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Circa 1050 BBY, yus.

    @Dawud786, @ConservativeJedi321, this is not the place for HEAVY TotJ spoilers.
     
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  22. ConservativeJedi321

    ConservativeJedi321 Force Ghost star 6

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  23. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Your post was all speculation, the following edit was a lot more definitive what was going to happen, by the by.
     
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  24. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Just speculation here with this audiobook in context. If we get more Dooku content in animation or live action before he starts looking like Christopher Lee. We could see him under Yoda's apprenticeship and him getting his first apprentice. Him as knight and master, that Tales of the Jedi will show small parts off. Just avoid certain parts that this book cover like his family connections. More Dooku content. In book we go from him being 18 to 30, then 40-50 and 60.
     
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  25. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I was speculating, I have no idea what happens in that show. Sorry