ST Episode IX Title Discussion: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

I think it would have held more significance if the name died with Luke and Leia, if the events of TROS are what they chose to do. It makes for a better "new" saga. Now they've got this lingering Skywalker name.

 

OK.

Roll Tide!!!

 

The Rise of Skywalker refers to the rise of Ben Solo from the dark side to the light side, being the last genetic descendant of the known Skywalker family.

Furthermore it referes also to Rey's choice to leave her last name and eventually presents hisself as the non-family connection of the Skywalker family.

From IMDB these are the reasons the Title is The Rise of Skywalker.

 

While I totally get that reasoning, I think "The Skywalker Legacy" would've been a more fitting title, both in terms of the film's story and of this being the concluding chapter of the Skywalker Saga.

 

I can guarantee you that whoever put that on IMBD had zero connection to production and in fact has no idea what they’re talking about.

 

I would like to see an explanation of what we actually got in the ST. I mean a 2 or 3 hour discussion with JJ and RJ plus others. Even then I am not sure we would get the whole story. Skywalker Saga, what is that I am so confused....

 

My own theory is that KK and the SG are in the best position to explain what happened.

Starting with why they tossed JJ’s treatments then complained they had no material to work with.

The most difficult conclusion I’ve had to come to is that LFL’s decisions could not have been nearly as profit-driven as we all have believed. Disney’s? Yes. But my understanding has been that, overall, Disney was fairly hands-off with LFL.

 

What were JJ's treatments?

 

Whatever he had planned for Eps 8 and 9, stemming from what he set up in TFA.

So there *was* a plan. There *was* a story for the ST.

But LFL tossed it. Because Reasons.

 

Snoke laughs and says (TLJ): 'Skywalker, I assumed. Wrongly'. But he was right, we know that now. Rey Skywalker. The joke was on him somehow.

For him Rey is just the 'girl' . In the film, and in TFA, Snoke is talking about Luke. That's his intention. Now, he's dead and his intentions are dead too.

Rey Skywalker sheds some retroactive light some of his lines, and in some of Palpatine's lines in TROS, no less dead and no less of a joke.

For example: 'Skywalker lives! the seed of the jedi order lives', he says=Rey Skywalker was the seed of the jedi order.

Is 'seed' literal, and not only metaphorical? When Padme says 'I'm pregnant', wasn't the seed of the jedi order, the last jedi, inside her? ROTS ends with the seed(s) of the jedi order being delivered. Yoda and Obi-Wan were there.

Yoda to Rey: 'alone, never have you been'.

But, why going back that far? Because the sith did. Ben Solo was to be corrupted since the beginning.

Evil strikes first, and then good reacts. Just before 'Skywalker, I assumed. Wrongly', Snoke says:

Ben Solo grew stronger, and then the rise of Skywalker happened. If it had to do with the 'seed' in a literal level, then Ben Solo grew stronger by the time he was 10-11. That's when his awakening took place, according to the VD. Rey was born 11 years after ROTJ.

Life itself, generations, seed. Sounds like the seed of Kylo Ren in Ben Solo causing the seed of Rey Skywalker in Empress Palpatine. Them being connected, and then letting the force 'rebound', like some kind of communicating vessels at work. I don't think it a coincidence that Palpatine's offspring was a male (=a wombless creature)

Ben/Kylo quotes and/or paraphrases Vader's Bespin speech in TFA/TLJ/TROS. This is Vader:

But it could have been said byBen/Kylo. In TROS, he knows about the dyad. And he knows Palpatine doesn't know. And he knows ('show me') that Vader's voice is not all there is to know about 'grandfather'. Did Palpatine know about that helmet showing things to Ben/Kylo?

Sounds like Anakin being behind that dyad, trying to finish what he had started. And Ben/Kylo seeing Anakin's intervention 'through a glass, darkly' - as Vader's. The closest a dark side character ever was to the jedi secret of cheating death.

 

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Interesting stuff.

 

A chess match is a proxy war. You fight your opponent by using others. The jedi, Anakin (white) vs the sith, Palpatine (black). Anakin saw Palpatine, but Palpatine didn't see Anakin. He only saw white pieces on the chessboard, moving as he had foreseen. And when his plans were disrupted, it was because of the pieces moving 'foolishly'. ('The princess of Alderaan has sdisrupted my plans. Buther foolish act' etc) He didn get it.

The moment he secretly corrupted his enemy's King, his Queen was corrupted even more secretly at the same time. A bit like Watto ('we'll let fate decide') trying to cheat Qui-Gon with those loaded dice and being cheated in his turn without knowing what had happened.

 

Probably Rey was at the massacre, she got sent off, kylo could not kill the girl, the girl turned out to be his sister or Luke's daughter, and in episode 8 the knights of Ren are a more substantial villain where Hux plots against kylo, smoke takes the place of palpatine, and kylo in episode 9 is faced with similar decisions like vader as the knights of Ren turn on him and he has to make a choice and cant kill his sister so he destroys snoke but Rey dies in the process.

 

What is the sequence of Rey's TFA vision?

1) Bespin hallway.-

2) Luke and R2 while Jedi Temple is burning.

3) Rain revealing Kylo Ren killing a warrior by stabbing him through the back. Then lots of bodies in the rain with the Knights of Ren behind Kylo. Then close up of Kylo Ren with the Knights of Ren. Kylo looks at and steps towards Rey.

4) Jakku. Rey turns to see her younger self crying out to a departing spaceship.

5) Starkiller Base - Kylo steps out from behind a tree.


I guess we know the story for all of that now except #3. Those are the Knights of Ren as seen in Ep9. But we don't know where they are or who they just slaughtered.

 

What ? those reasons IMDB gave are the exact reasons why the Movie is Called the Rise of Skywalker........

 

Anyone can edit IMDB. It is not a dependable source of information. And nowhere has an actual TPTB said that’s the reason the movie is so-titled.

 

The guy he kills does look a little bit like the Vader worshipping cultists on Mustafar. This could be a premonition about Kylo going to Mustafar with the Knights of Ren. That is the only specific connection I can make. But I don't recall explicity whether the knights are shown working with Kylo to defeat the Vader cultists. He has a stormtrooper battalion. Maybe someone else can remember the Knights of Ren appearing somewhere in this scene.

 

We don't see the Knights of Ren on Mustafar. Kylo getting the Wayfinder would be vision of the future worthy. Also it's raining in the Knights of Ren attack in the vision, but then again that doesn't have to mean a vision has to be exactly the same as what happens. The future can change when it actually happens.

 

Yeah it was somehow snowing on Mustafar instead of raining, but the person has a similar hat.

We don't necessarily have to know. It's just about Kylo leading the Knights of Ren and killing people. The vision has a whole host of dead bodies too if you look.

 

That's snow?! I thought we were seeing ash. It does snow on Zorii Bliss's planet, which also looks a lot like the vision.

I agree with you. We don't need to know. It shows what Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren do.

 

Maybe it was ash. Now I'm not sure.

 

Have to admit never would have guessed in a movie titled “THE RISE OF SKYWALKER” that we would see the Skywalkers go extinct. Depressing to think about...

 

Imagine how much more depressing it would have been had Ben Solo not been redeemed but simply killed. As it is his contribution after turning was limited, but we got to see him come back.

I'm OK with the title personally, and I think it has a double meaning. I really found it odd originally. I might say, some other title could have been better but I can't say what it would be. I wouldn't have cared for "Duel of the Fates" because it would imply circularity, that everything was just the same as it was nine movies ago, whereas the smaller events of Episode I had long-reaching repercussions.

 

Ben Solo going out evil and the Skywalker name ending in Darkness literally wasn’t an option. That would have been depressing and rediculous. Then going extinct and then the movie going complexly against what TFA set up (denying truth that is family) with Rey taking the name of a guy she knew for a couple days and didn’t even like is also bad though.

 

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