CT ESB dark side cave. Provenance? Origins? Yoda strategy?

The Dark Side is Bob from Twin Peaks. Yoda is the Man from Another Place.

 

Well, it wasn't explained in any of the PT or OT movies, so are we saying that we're going by the Disney fan fiction? Am I right that you put more weight on that load of tripe than you do the old EU?

 

Yes, and that's the part that makes it stupid. TPM tells us that Space Magic has a will of its own and it talks to medichlorians living in your cells and then the medichlorians tell you what the space magic wants. Also, you can measure how strong space magic is within a person because they'll have more medichlorians.

Making the force hereditary isn't a bad idea and was even hinted at in the ANH novelization. But medichlorians are a completely different animal. There's still some mystery surrounding hereditary traits and whether or not certain skills can be passed down from one generation to the next. With medichlorians, there's no mystery. A simple blood test is all you need. The force is supposed to be space magic, not quantifiable.

 

Episode 5 is the first time we see the Dark Side personified by itself is what I should have said earlier. Was there a snake creature when Luke entered the cave? I thought I saw one. I have to watch the scene again.

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It turns out there was more than one serpent and snake like creature in that scene. This seems to validate my theory that Satan is the big bad of Star Wars.

 

I sure preferred it when The Force was just an analogy for Buddhism and spiritual auras, rather than all this bland medical rubbish. I really wish we could change time and make it so Kurtz stayed in charge and it was Lucas who walked!

 

It's like when Lennon and McCartney split. Neither really made music the same way again and there was a certain magic that just ... disappeared.

 

Clearly not, based on what Lucas put in his films. The fact that you think something should be a certain way doesn't mean it IS that way.

Anyway, personally I don't see any contradiction between the mystical and the biological aspects of the Force. It's still a mysterious power connected to your blood.

(And Kurtz was never in charge, so he couldn't have "stayed" in charge anyway, but... that's another debate! )

 

Just because Lucas decides to put something in his movie doesn't mean it's not dumb. Being an auteur doesn't shield a person from criticism.

Plus, there isn't one single mention of force bacteria before the late nineties so clearly Lucas changed his idea anyway. ...kind of like giving Yoda a lightsaber ...and having Anakin build Threepio ...and Yoda and Chewbacca being old buddies ...and Anakin being space Jesus.

 

Anakin never was a Christ figure in my opinion. Anakin is simply a prophet that restored balance by fatally wounding the Antichrist Palpatine after rejecting the Dark Side's demonic influence which could have originated from the cave as well as Exegol even though Antichrist Palpatine still lived.

 

He was co-creator, although I realise that Lucas likes to think that he wrote everything, filmed everything, did all the editing, did all the design work, composed all the music, made all the props, did all the sound and visual effects etc.

 

I think we got Ringo Starr, or even worse, a Blue Meanie!

 

Well, whatever you want to call a person who is born from an immaculate conception. I would never refer to Anakin as Christ-like either, so that was a bad choice of words on my part.

 

You're really not far off calling Anakin space Jesus, though. Both were born of immaculate conception and brought about to essentially restore balance. Yes, I know I'm oversimplifying it, but I don't really feel like going into a long diatribe about it.

 

I've always wondered if the stone frame / hallway we see Vader emerge from was actually part of the vision, or if it physically existed in the cave / tree.

 

its Dark Empire spoilers

 

I always assumed the cave itself was naturally forming, but the force would make it seem like a location a person was familiar with (or would be familiar with since Luke is getting visions of the future).

 

I never caught that

 

I never caught it until the OT came out on dvd. It's near impossible to make out the details of that cave with a pan and scan VHS tape.

 

It still is an analogy for Buddhism and spiritual auras. The midichlorians simply serve as a symbiosis between the Force and living beings. The Force is still shrouded in mystery. TPM makes that perfectly clear.

 

Yes, and that's the part that people take issue with. We're allowed to not like things.

 

Yes. And people are allowed to argue and refute your claims.

 

And people are allowed to disagree with refutations.

 

We're also allowed to say we don't like something simply because we don't like it. Expecting a dissertation for every grievance someone has with a movie is laughable.

 

Or not being labeled a hater just because you don't care for a specific thing.

 

Why do you say that? Explain your position to me, in detail. I'm expecting a 5000 word essay with footnotes, references, and citations (none from Wikipedia). Now.