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Lit [Fantasy Flight Games] Because it just keeps getting better

Discussion in 'Literature' started by The Loyal Imperial, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Master star 4

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    even for just Masters its a small number, I suspect its just Jedi Council Masters! 20 left from the highest honors the order had to offer


    edit: In Legends, with Djinn Altis rival Jedi Order... would he be one of the Lost 20? Also, his rival order is 10000 strong, but he also accepts adults and people less strong in the Force that would not qualify for the other Jedi Order's standards. Still his order is larger even than the Jedi Order proper, which held 10000 members as per TPM, but lost 1000 members in 10 years and had 9000 only in AOTC as per visual dictionaries. So with TCW books mentioning Altis having 10000 people, he outnumbers the other Jedi.
     
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  2. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Yet the 10000 OJO figure doesn’t include AcCorp washouts either.

    And Altis said he had taught non-Force users too, as I recall.


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  3. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Twenty Jedi Masters in good standing with the Order, who nevertheless amicably resigned their place as a Jedi as a result of irreconcilable ideological differences. Only Jedi who met all of those criteria were afforded a place among the Lost. During those years, of course other Jedi did chose to leave, while others still were expelled or transferred to different areas of service. But the central idea behind the Lost Twenty as a commemorative endeavor is the tragedy of seeing this growing number of Masters—life-long Jedi, beings who should have been the greatest paragons of the Order and its philosophy—ultimately deciding that their lives as Jedi were spiritually unfulfilling, with true happiness and purpose to be found elsewhere.

    Yeah, that's a very important distinction to keep in mind.

    While the Altisian Jedi are possessed of such seemingly vast numbers as a collective organization, many of Altis' followers aren't true Jedi, or even Force-sensitive at all. Many of them—like Gali, for example—are simply ordinary people who were attracted to the Jedi lifestyle, philosophy, or call to public service. Altis welcomed essentially anyone, regardless of their ability with the Force, so long as they approached his sect with a willingness to do good. As a result, trying to compare numbers or manpower between the Altisian and orthodox Jedi sects is kind of a pointless exercise.

    For anyone familiar with the Avatar franchise, a good comparison would be the Air Acolytes, who preserved and carried on the once-dying culture of the Air Nomad monks for decades because the Buddhist-esque ideology philosophically appealed to them, despite not possessing any of the bending abilities that once defined the nation to call their own. They're welcomed as a part of the Air Nation going forward, but when compared to the airbending monks who came before and after, they're a distinctly different aspect of the whole.
     
  4. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Master star 4

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    so Altis runs more or less a charity organisation with only few true Jedi besides him? calling that an order nevertheless?
     
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  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Bingo.


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  6. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 8

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    Do we know if he's 'order' has the legal rights as lawmen the Jedi Order has?
     
  7. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Master star 4

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    They act like it and they use the Jedi name... average Joes can't even differentiate which Jedi is legit and which is not.
     
  8. Nom von Anor

    Nom von Anor Jedi Master star 3

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    Average Joes can't, but the government can.
     
  9. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Hardly. Maybe the archives are incomplete. Maybe it was all just a folktale. Maybe the GM decides to ignore that piece of fluff entirely and invent something else (like Waru!). The fluff has always been just guidelines, never iron-clad. (Heck, the old West End Games knew that well enough to frame everything as being reported by an unreliable narrator to make it clear to newbies that nothing was set in stone.)
     
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  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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  11. DarkEagle

    DarkEagle Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Don't think this one made it here yet:
    Unit upgrades for Legion

    Of note, Rebels get diversity (Ishi Tib, Ithorian, Gran, Theelin)!
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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  13. Wrinty

    Wrinty Jedi Master star 3

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    Chopper!
     
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  14. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Good to see the Republic get a version of Chopper (the Rebels already have Chopper the Crew, Chopper the Astromech, and Chopper piloting the Ghost).
     
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  15. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    Love that little detail.
     
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  16. CernStormrunner

    CernStormrunner Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dumb question - if anyone has a ruler and a Millennium Falcon handy, can they measure the length and width of the cockpit? Working on a 3D model and wanted to scale it as close as i can
     
  17. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    Okay, someone help me out here.

    I seem to recall that Story Group, or at least someone associated with Story Group, said the Fantasy Flight RPG products are non canon. They are inspired but do not create new continuity.

    Am I making this up? If this announcement was made can you please point me to the original source with a link if possible?

    Thank you.
     
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  18. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Never been able to find a quote myself, but I do think the game's blending canon and legends speaks for itself.
     
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  19. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Following that, was there ever a public discussion on why Wookieepedia chose to make it canon? All I can find is the very short explanation in the FFG talk section: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Fantasy_Flight_Games

    Not all the pre-2017 books have the Legends banner (e.g., Force and Destiny and its content), although some do (e.g., Age of Rebellion, although not all its additional content does). But a lot of these pages are marked as being incomplete, so maybe someone's just going to go through eventually and add the Legends banner to it all. 2017 still seems arbitrary to me because there is good "new" stuff before that and leaky Legends stuff entering post-2017, but I am not a Wook god, so what do I know?
     
  20. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm not a mod on the Wook, either, but from what I've seen, there's no consistent treatment of the materials, with FFG stuff being treated as canon or Legends on different articles. I personally think that it should all be Legends or flagged as status unknown for information only based on canon materials and I have yet to hear a good reason against this, but I don't make the rules there.
     
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  21. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Master star 4

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    Gadgets and Gear is out and I get it this week soon!
     
  22. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, need to get my copy.
     
  23. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 6

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    For the first time that I'm aware, there's nothing coming down the pike for the RPG .
    I suspect we're pre-reboot right now; once the final movie in the new trilogy comes out, that will open up the NT era, which will probably be the new base setting for the game.
    Hey, maybe this time around they might make a statement about canon and all... but I wouldn't hold my breath.
    Shame, I liked the RPG. But shelf space being what it is, I'm going to move FFG's Star Wars material to storage at this point.
     
  24. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm hoping they just make era sourcebooks for the sequel trilogy for the current iteration; don't really need another version of the game just to be able to play there.
     
  25. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    While I LOVE sourcebooks being canon, the reality is that it is nearly impossible to do when new films are in the works. WEG benefited from coming out in a static environment when there were no films. The old WOTC books that tried to add lore in the middle of book events (the NJO SB) often were outdated, incorrect, or contradicted shortly after they came out. {Post-ST, things will be different. FFG can go back and "fill in the gaps" like WEG did.

    --Adm. Nick