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ST Finn pilots the ship from the fleet to Canto Bight why did he need a pilot in TFA?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by oldtimefan 2, Jun 25, 2018.

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  1. oldtimefan 2

    oldtimefan 2 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    He takes a ship to Canto Bight after waking up from his coma.
    And let us not forget this.

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    I think John Boyega is a good actor and once he is done with Star Wars I don't think he will look back.

    The lack of talent here is Rian Johnson did he even watch TFA?
     
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  2. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Force Ghost star 5

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    Skill transfer is occasionally a bit iffy in the movies. We've seen Anakin be a prod racing hero and we've seen that those skills transfer to being able to fly a fighter. We know Luke was able to bullseye womprats from his T-16 back home and that those skills transferred to being able to fly a fighter--though ANH also made it clear that Luke wouldn't be able to fly a ship like the Falcon capable of interstellar flight.

    However, pretty much anyone in the SW universe is able to ride a speeder, and suggesting that just because Finn can't fly a TIE-fighter or a ship capable of interstellar flight, he wouldn't be able to ride a speeder, is a bit absurd, IMO. That's like saying that a person who can't drive a car is automatically also unable to ride a bicycle.

    Not sure the top image is appropriate.
     
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  3. cerealbox

    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    Rose flew them to Canto Bight.

    The skimmers on Crait are the equivalent of driving not piloting.

    Han Solo even notesthe difference in the Solo movie: "I'm a driver and I'm a flier (pilot)."
     
  4. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    I just assumed that a TIE fighter is more complex than basic ships. Even Poe, an ace pilot, has trouble at first.
     
  5. JediAce1

    JediAce1 Force Ghost star 5

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    There was a shot in TLJ with Finn in the pilots seat flying to Canto Bight.
     
  6. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I feel like there’s a profound difference in the skill required for flying a ship in pretty much a straight line through hyperspace, and evading a star destroyer after stealing a TIE. Even 3PO is capable of the former, but the latter requires a pilot.
     
  7. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Force Ghost star 5

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    It's probably similar to how flying an F-16 and flying a Boeing 747 are different skills. Flying a Boeing is still a learned skill though, not something that "everyone can do." Likewise, flying through hyperspace is a learned skill, it's obvious that wet-behind-the-ears Luke underestimates the amount of skill involved in the scene where Han needs to point out that "traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy" or the scene where Han smirks "and who's gonna fly it, kid? You?" and Luke starts to respond that he's not such a bad pilot before getting shut down by Obi-Wan.
     
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  8. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    Do we even know if he was “flying” that ship? Even on the Libertine later he’s in the back talking to DJ. If he’s in the captain’s chair for a scene while Rose is doing something it’s probably more of a formality than a skill. Like when a parent tells their 4-year old daughter to watch their younger baby brother because a parent has to use the bathroom. It doesn’t mean the kid is ready to setup her own daycare.

    I also agree that the ski speeders are more like jetskis than space ships and even there he was the least comfortable of the group.
     
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  9. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    It would probably require "pilot" skills to be involved in an assault on First Order walkers and TIE fighters. Evading multiple canons firing on you while progressively advancing toward a wall of artillery is more than flying in a straight line.

    Just chalk it up to coming from the same source that had Poe and Rey meet despite the fact that they stood next to each other, looking at a map, at the end of the previous film. When you turn in your script for a sequel before the first film is even finished, these minor hiccups happen.
     
  10. RiddleMeThis

    RiddleMeThis Jedi Master star 4

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    Finn is smart and competent. He can handle basic ships, which a TIE fighter is not. He could probably become a skilled pilot in the future with training.
     
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  11. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd still argue that piloting a speeder requires a different and probably lower level of skill than piloting a TIE, even when taking the circumstances into account, but yeah, you do have a point bringing up the weird Rey/Poe meet-cute thing. It could very well just be a case of inconsistencies developing because of the production cycle for each film overlapping too closely.
     
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  12. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Regular ships in the Star Wars universe are like cars, they are "driven", not "piloted".

    A TIE fighter needs a proper pilot.
     
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  13. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I assume the Resistance pod is on autopilot when it's flying through hyperspace. So Finn isn't piloting the ship IMO. He's just sitting there.
     
  14. cerealbox

    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    You mean when Rose stood up and was walking toward the back as Finn asked about Canto Bight?

    It was in auto pilot like @Darth Chiznuk mentioned.

    Finn doesn't know what Canto Bight is, let alone how to get there.
     
  15. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    Is this an asked and answered situation at this point?
     
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  16. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Johnson watched daily takes of TFA while he was writing and working on TLJ.
     
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  17. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    The novel, I believe, shows Rose teaching Finn how to fly it. So yes, it's Finn piloting, but it was because he was shown how. Now, should that have been in the movie? Probably. But it's been validly explained, so it's not a continuity error or anything, either.
     
  18. Darth Stratocaster

    Darth Stratocaster Jedi Knight star 2

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    Just a thumbs up to the OP before the lock. [face_clown]
     
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  19. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The lack of rule obedience here is oldtimefan2. Did he even read the forum rules? Locking for redundant bashing. Take it to the Finn thread, or the plotholes thread, etc.
     
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