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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Resstar reminds me of the bulky SDs from DE.
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    Just with a lowered command tower (I quite like the idea of them fortifying the bridge weaknesses that were exploited in other models with the RSD). And, given that the ST has basically been an adaptation of DE (a comparison made even stronger if you equate the Mega with the Eclipse), I'm ok with that.
     
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  2. Long Snoot

    Long Snoot Jedi Knight star 2

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    I actually love the Resurgent, and the design seems to actually fix many of the ISD's design flaws. It's also far from a direct copy.
     
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  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I will say it's not without its flaws. The off-center design and extra top levels make it lack the smoother lines of other models. Can make it feel more of a kitbash than a new ship so it doesn't scream top of the line military. It almost teeters into the direction of a Star Destroyer that has been run and modified by pirates for years. Like it's been salvaged and built upon- but in a finished way so that it's not a flying junkheap, but neither is it an intentional shipyard design.
     
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  4. Pons

    Pons Jedi Knight star 2

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    One thing I always look for in a ship design is perceived ruggedness, and that's where the Resurgent falls short. A huge portion of the bow essentially being a hollowed-out hangar doesn't exactly bode well for the structural integrity of the vessel. And although pragmatic, the flattened-out superstructure robs the design of any character whatsoever when viewed from the sides and front. It's great design that's leagues ahead of any reskin or kitbash, but also one that lacks the "character" present in many OT/PT/non-ST Disney ships.
     
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  5. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, this is the killer for me. It looks good from some angles but not so much from others.
     
  6. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    Love the Resurgent class..my issue was always the fighters.
     
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  7. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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    Hmm yeah, but you could also say the same about a whole bunch of other ships. The Venator and Providence come to mind.
     
  8. bluealien1

    bluealien1 Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm fine with old designs so long as TIE Interceptors and A-Wings dogfight at some point in the battle. :D
     
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  9. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Jedi Master star 3

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    Trailer for Next Week's Resistance

    Hm, modified T-65, or a post T-65 model?
     
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  10. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I like it as well. I get why others don't......but they are all wrong and I will protect my baby Resurgent
     
  11. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Knight star 3

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    As an ST fan who gives an enthusiastic thumbs up to stuff that drives a lot of people to fits of literal rage, I still can't wrap my head around the "almost NO new ship designs / almost NO old alien designs" conundrum. But I do dig the shared-assets thing that's pulling designs from all over the different eras again because there happen to be models from the animated shows and such... that's nice, at least.
     
  12. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    You've seen the Pellaeon-class and its cathedral-esque design, right?
     
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  13. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don't mind the Resurgent design too much (though the Nebula and Pellaeon-class Star Destroyers are much better designs), I'm more annoyed its done almost nothing in the movies. Like in TFA it basically disappears after the midpoint (once the bad guys arrive at Starkiller base) and then in TLJ they're just escorts for the even bigger Mandator-IV and Supremacy. At least in ESB we saw the Imperial-class a lot. In TLJ the Resurgent is just a background piece or glorified carrier.

    Well, it doesn't help that the Resistance either had no capital ships (in TFA) or were running away and nothing else (in TLJ). Which is why I hope their Battle of Endor ripoff looks nice at least.

    And even aside from the X-wing and Y-wing rehashes, the First Order is even worse since they just have TIE fighters. Not Interceptors or Defenders or Advanced or Strikers or Reapers, they went with the simplest design, the regular TIE Fighter, which just looks lazy. And now things are going to get even more backwards with RoS, at least in terms of capital ships (and the new TIE design isn't exactly a big leap forward but at least its finally a little bit different).
     
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  14. JediBatman

    JediBatman Jedi Master star 4

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    Was just about to mention the Pellaeon Class, as well as the Harrower class. You want Star Destroyers that have a lower bridge that isn't such an obvious weak spot? Those two ships have it without being ugly as sin like the Resurgent. The Resurgent might look alright from some angles (like the top view), but from other angles? It looks squashed, aysymetrical, with bits sticking out at odd places. And there's something to be said for simplicity of design. A child could draw an Imperial Star Destroyer and it would still be distinct and recognizable, I have a hard time imagining that they could do the same with the Resurgent class.

    I don't really get this comparison. Sure in ANH the Imperial Star Destroyer disabled the Tantive 4. But after that it basically just ferried Vader and Leia to the Death Star, and "disappears" just like the Resurgent. And in ESB we have an Imperial Class shot buy the ion canon above Hoth, and in pursuit of the Falcon, but the rest of the time they're "escorts for the even bigger Executor". Heck, even with the Falcon the asteroid chase is more focused on the persuing TIE fighters, making the Imperial class just a step up from "gloried carrier".

    For the "no old alien designs", here's my take on it: Imagine that they make a sequel to Lord of the Rings. The sequel has all sorts of fantasy races: centaurs, gorgons, cat people, lizard people, fish people. But it dosn't have a single hobbit, dwarf, elf, or orc. It would be pretty weird, wouldn't it?
     
  15. Pons

    Pons Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yes, I'm quite fond of its chunky, turtled-down aesthetic. There's just enough of a bridge structure to give it some character, but it's not excessively overt to the point of vulnerability. Most of all it makes sense from a tactical standpoint, in that the aggressively sloped hull grants better visibility from the bridge while allowing for more guns to bear on the target.
     
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  16. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To sum up my objections-
    1) I find the Resurgent an ugly, messy design. Fitting for the bad guys, but it makes it hard to get a clear view of it (on top of the normal problems with JJ's directing style). The Imperial-class design is nice and easy to identify from most angles. Same with things like the Pellaeon-class, Nebula-class, or SWTOR's Harrower-class class. So the Resurgent not doing much is annoying to me.

    2) Just because the Star Destroyer in ANH disappeared after the midpoint doesn't mean TFA had to copy that exactly. And with how the bad guys retreated at the end of TFA as the base was exploding, I thought the ship would show up again.

    3) At Hoth we see the other Star Destroyers maintaining the blockade and then chasing the Falcon into the asteroid field. We see Captain Needa basically going to his death and one Star Destroyer wrecked by an asteroid, as well as the Falcon hide out by attaching to a bridge tower.

    At D'qar the Resurgent Star Destroyers don't slow down the Resistance bombers at all, its all a starfighter battle. During the long chase, the Resurgent Star Destroyers just follow alongside the Supremacy and don't do anything. They don't launch fighters, they're not any faster than the Supremacy, we don't see their captains, they're just there as background pieces. Or to make the hyperspace ram look even more spectacular? Which I find a waste of those ships.

    Its even stranger when other sources don't use the Resurgent as much as they should've. Although looks like they changed it. A while back the Hux comic had fan-designed Mandators on the background, look like the final issue had Resurgent on it instead. I'm just not sure why the artist didn't just use the Resurgent in the first place (but then that might tie into Marvel's laziness).
     
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  17. Pons

    Pons Jedi Knight star 2

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    The artists at Lucasfilm have proven time and time again that they're capable of designing icons when given the chance to do so. The talent is there, but the artistic vision on a certain director's part is clearly not. Oh, and feast your eyes on some sweet HD Starhawk art. [​IMG][​IMG]
     
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  18. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 5

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    I'm sticking with my previous guess below . I like the canopy but again I'm not a fan of the tiny engines, although I suppose in the case of a close support craft it does make sense to have double the amount of engines. Lose an engine to enemy fire and its only 1/8th down on power.
     
  19. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    The Resurgent is meh to me, its just a slightly different ISD. It could fit as some Imp Warlord command baby like the Praetor in legends. For a favorite ST ship, I like the TIE Silencer a lot, and its a shame they're replacing it with a more basic looking TIE for the next one.
     
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  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Oh I love the design, but I don’t see it as all too far removed from the Resurgent and nobody really complained then (save for it being a smaller design than an ISD).

    It will forever be to me the Turbulent class, renamed in Pellaeon’s honour.
     
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  21. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    TBH, I never really loved the Pellaeon-class either.
     
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  22. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    Pellaeon's my favorite Star Destroyer type, possibly more than even the original ImpStar. I feel like its a natural and good-looking progression towards a 'futuristic' Star Destroyer, but it wouldn't really fit to introduce it as early as 30 ABY, which is why I don't think the Turbulent is the Pellaeon. That'd make it like a 100 years old by the time of Legacy, despite still clearly being a frontline ship used by the Imperials.
     
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  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Pellaeon looks good- not my favorite, but it definitely fits the aesthetic that Legacy went with (it pairs well with the Legacy TIEs, for instance, with the sharp angles). I think it all depends on the "height" it's depicted with. Some places make it look like such a tall pyramid that it feels like a Goa'uld ship at times. But when it's sleeked out at enough an angle, it feels more like a Destroyer.
     
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  24. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Sure, because Middle-Earth boasts all of maybe twelve or so sentient species. (Disclaimer: I have no idea how many there actually are. I'm not a Tolkien guy. I'm just going by the films.) Isn't there supposed to be something like 20 million sentient species in the GFFA? In view of a number like that, as much as I adore those classic alien designs and would love to see a Morseerian or an Advoszec or something pop up now and then, the cold hard reality of that number is that a "new aliens every movie" scenario like we've more-or-less seen in the Disney era films is probably the more realistic one.

    Sorry for veering off-topic; please return to normal Fleet Junkie-related discussion :)
     
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  25. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    So it seems that almost all of Allegiance was traced ship wise