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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It made me realize TLJ's Resistance ships stopping when running out of fuel consistent with even the EU.
    Which I should have realized earlier since that's how the engines have worked since at least the 90s Flight Sims. zero thrust, zero movement. If you disable a ship's engines/systems, it slows to zero, it doesn't keep drifting.
     
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  2. Senator Wan

    Senator Wan Jedi Knight star 2

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    The ships that weren’t disabled were constantly accelerating, giving the appearance that the disabled ships were slowing down and stopping, even though they were still moving at a constant speed.


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  3. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 7

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    I guess maybe a game can justify it better just to keep things simple? Whereas in a movie, you can do better? I dunno.
     
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  4. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As I see it:

    MC75/MC80 = ISD
    Neb-B = Arquitens
    CR90 = Raider
    GR75 = Gozanti

    Given the inclusion of Qusar Fire carriers, I suppose we could argue for a Rebel analog, but I doubt it. I do wish we got to see some Hammerheads and Dornean gunships though!

    --Adm. Nick
     
  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Peltas?
     
  6. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    That was going to be my thought, as well. Unless QFCs are exclusive to the campaign mode, they seem to be very much into maintaining a balanced "this side has this so the other side has this" roster.
     
  7. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 7

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    Maybe give the Ton-Falk over to the New Republic (that would be a funny reversal)? A miniaturized Endurance? Come up with a new ship model altogether?
     
  8. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So far we haven't seen any Quasars in MP footage, so they could be SP only.
     
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  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    There is no such thing as too many Legend designs.
     
  10. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    So, has anyone done a ship by ship specification of the 14,000 ships at Exegol? [face_laugh]

    At least at Star Wars, they have the budget and are bothering to distinguish the ships. Over at Star Trek, without spoiling much, the most recent massive fleet gathering was just a bunch of copy and pasted identical ships without even registry numbers visible.
     
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  11. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 7

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    Ooo ooo, while we're at it...let's replace the TIE Reaper and U-wing with the VT-49 and Pursuer, respectively.
     
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  12. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Hey!

    I like the U-wing.

    A lot.

    But why not have the E-wings turn up as a playable ship rather than cameo in a canon comic...? :D
     
  13. clone commander bossk

    clone commander bossk Ostrich Velocity Expert star 5

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    Add the tie defender and B-wing!

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  14. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not to mention Resistance. There were a lot of fighters that need details. Funny thing is the one I liked most was barely in it....
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  15. Chrissonofpear2

    Chrissonofpear2 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Still not sure why the Imps would ever name an escort carrier after a DEFEAT, anyway. Maybe for the system?
    Great pictures, also.
    (Tuskin38) I tend to go with the 'all ships are constantly accelerating' explanation for TLJ, myself, though it's pretty much not what the director and staff intended. We see the Anodyne listing after it runs out of fuel, for instance... could be explained as an engine misfire, if we wish. Or more aether physics. For the video games, I usually assume some kind of emergency retro is used to keep a ship from hurtling on out of control, right before it runs out of gas. But in an actual space chase where you want to keep ahead of capital ships, this system would logically be disabled - as it could have been, for the Resistance fleet.
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    ATTN: @AdmiralNick22

    To be fair, there is a lot of copy and paste at Exegol to get the numbers you see there. They're just doing so with a much, much larger variety of ships than the 2-3 (technically 4-6, if we count all sides) different ships seen in PIC (and there actually could be logical story reasons for the ships in that particular fleet to not be made of of a wider variety of classes) . The latter was also done on a much more compressed timeline and budget (compared to a feature film). Though DIS's budget has allowed for some pretty great battles (the S2 finale has one of the best battles Trek has ever done, and probably has 8-10 different types of crafts/weapons in play across the factions, which is probably 2/3rds of what Trek's largest battle had on DS9), so I'm not sure that's a factor in PIC as much as time was.
     
  17. Grevious_Coward

    Grevious_Coward Jedi Knight star 1

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    Was re-watching Rebels "Iron Squadron" last night, and in it, Sabine stated that Stardestroyers are 6 times as big as Imperial light cruisers. Thought it was interesting, since it would either make the Stardestroyer 1.95km, or make the Arquitens 267m long, if taken literally.
    Also the way Mart uses cargo containers as improvised bombs could be used to explain how GR-75s are used in combat.
     
  18. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    She could be speaking about overall volume versus length. The hangar capacity, additional staircase decks and command tower on an ISD would add volume significantly, compared to a Quitty, without having to affect the established lengths of either craft.
     
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  19. Grevious_Coward

    Grevious_Coward Jedi Knight star 1

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    I did contemplate that she meant volume, but the problem with that is a ship with 6 times the volume of an Arquitens, would be closer in size to a Vindicator, than a Stardestoyer.
    Also I don't think we should take Sabine's statement as fact, but rather as a ballpark figure, as it was a quick remark meant to correct Mart who mistaked an Arquitens for a Stardestroyer. This allows some wiggle room and means that the Stardestroyer could be 5 to 7 times the size of a Arquitens, allowing both the established length, or one of the smaller sizes I've calculated, to be the actual length of the Arquitens.
     
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  20. TheAvengerButton

    TheAvengerButton Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I always take in-universe comments such as these with a grain of salt. Unless you're watching a seminar about the ship from the guy or gal who came up with the design and he specifically mentions it's specifications, I'd just chalk these sorts of quotes up to characters making off the cuff comments to illustrate a point.

    "That's not a Star Destroyer, those things are significantly bigger. Imagine a slider. Now imagine a double quarter pounder from McDonalds."

    "Are you saying Star Destroyers are edible?"
     
  21. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah it's just a generalization not a literal statement.
     
  22. bsmith7174

    bsmith7174 Jedi Master star 3

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    Are there any other good pictures of the First Light? It's kind of hard for me to visualize for some reason. I wish there was a 3D model I could spin around.

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  23. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Huh?

    You mean that big, messy everyone-shoots-everyone-else "battle"? I'll grant it was pretty SFX but it was pretty empty to me.
     
  24. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think it did a good job of keeping the geography and element relationships established (despite everything going on, everything is clear and never llost amongst CG noise) while, in particular, focusing on the characters to really heighten the emotional tension (something somewhat lacking from, say, Sacrifice of Angels). The torpedo disarming subplot interrupts that but, all in all, I had goosebumps for most of those last two episodes.

    Maybe the only thing I didn't like it how it reused SOA's "the Klingon reinforcements are here" bit- and, while the D7's involvement was a bit of an afterthought, ultimately, the use of the Cleaveship made for a much more effective entrance and the Chancellor's viewscreen exchange made much more sense than Worf's (just the timing and "you really don't have time to be having this conversation right now" given where the Defiant was at the time, etc- whereas Enterprise was holding a line).

    And, also, we haven't really seen Star Trek have to do something equivalent to a flak field before, so getting to see the original Enterprise unload its phasers like that was mighty satisfying. Probably the first time the Enterprise has really felt powerful (the next closest being the Connie Defiant on ENT- but only by contrast to ships a hundred years less advanced), especially given the TOS movie's general aversion to using phasers in favor of torpedoes).

    But, yeah, top marks all around.

    EDIT- Aaand speak of the devil earlier, @AdmiralNick22, the last segment of this video either is meant for you or it exists because of you- could be 50/50 ;) :



    It's interesting to see what ships they will list the actual class name of (like Baleen-class Heavy Freighter) and which ones they won't ("First Order Star Destroyer").
     
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  25. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That's funny/weird. They gave actual class/model names for a lot of ships in the video, but for the ISD and Resugence, they just label them as 'Star Destroyer' and "First Order Star Destroyer"
    apparently the TIE Kylo takes to Exogol is a 'TIE Scout'

    Interesting, so that is a YT-2400 Variant
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    Victor-Wing?
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    Ohh
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