Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

@Noash_Retrac

I don't have much to add. I'm more focused on the new canon these days, I'm sure I have notes on Mon Calamari cruisers at Endor in Legends SOMEWHERE, but it isn't something I've dwelled on much in years.

--Adm. Nick

 

On the topic of the Lambda - as I've said before, the deck level in the corridor behind the cockpit convinces me that the unseen passenger compartment is actually in the narrower "ridge" on top of the hull - the wide lower part of the hull seems to be engines and wing mechanisms flanking a space that could be a cargo hold (we see a nifty variant with a deeper central hold here in REBELS)... I'd say the most obvious place for a permanent hatch is at the back, but the most logical place of all would be where the rear gun turret is - so unless it's mounted on a hatch and swings to one side, I'd argue the Lambda doesn't need to have a permanent space hatch; could be that the turret gets replaced by a rear hatch on some variants, or else you can fit one under the hull - drop through a hatch in the deck and descend through the cargo hold, and do a gravity ballet like you do to get into the Falcon's turrets...

*waves*

Answering this off-the-cuff, my recollection is that we deliberately didn't make an entirely complete list of the Imperial ships at Endor, leaving space to fit in stories that hadn't yet been told - quite useful if anyone wants to fit Rae Sloane's Vigilance into the pre-reboot continuity, for example; my own headcanon is that this was one of the three ISDs that left with Harrsk, but Sloane went off on her own to become a warlord very quickly...

So, as a placeholder, you can read some old notes by me here...

The question of the Grand Admirals' ships is a good one - my partial answer is that they're there as members of Palpatine's entourage, which means firstly that they probably didn't bring their own ships, and also means they're not within the actual chain-of-command, which runs from Vader through his own direct subordinate Piett, and as such, the problem disappears; speaking personally, I also headcanon that most of the Grand Admirals' personal ships are VSD-IIs, because their incredibly fast flank speed is an asset for them as fast-moving rides - a few may even be quirky things like Gladiator-class or Vindicator-class (speed, deflectors and TIE Fighters equal to an ISD, so a nice capable design for a lot of situations), or even Strike Cruisers - which is what the Moffship is, after all...

You can swap some of them into the list if you want, but this is again where keeping the list loose comes in...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

We haven't really gotten new ships out of BB have we?? Shand's ship and those new fighters...and we didn't get concept art for the fighters.

 

To note, Virulence did NOT retreat to Annaj with the rest of the fleet, as it had already fled the Battle PRIOR to the DS2 being destroyed, per The Bacta War:

With that in mind, it shouldn't have even been possible for it to have fled, as the Empire also had a lot of Interdictors at Endor, per the Truce at Bakura Sourcebook. I put up a thread about it here:

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/continuity-notes-on-the-battle-of-endor-eu-only.50056349/

...but how could it have fled at all, unless somebody had ordered the Interdictors deactivated? And, what ships were they, and what happened to them?

As for the Grand Admiral's personal ships, we know that Takel's Magic Dragon wasn't present, as it was on the other side of the Galaxy under the command of his first officer in response to the Nagai threat. Recondite is also (to my knowledge) not actually ever stated to have been present, but as we never hear of it afterwards it could have been one of the destroyed ISDs.

 

Out of curiosity, what's your take on what happened to all of the Interdictors that Truce at Bakura Sourcebook mentions as having been at Endor?

 

Probably jumped when the Fleet withdrew.

 

@SheaHulbin - interesting questions!! I've posted a reply in your own thread...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Where did the name of 'Slave 1' originate from? Wookieepedia doesn't say.
Was it from ESB's script or novelization, or was it a later source?

 

Definitely as early as the movie since it was featured in merchandise:

 

Bane's new ship The Justifier.

 

For those who have NOT heard the news yet....

LEGO Boba Fett Starship Drops Slave I Moniker

https://www.cbr.com/lego-star-wars-boba-fett-name-change/

 

Hm so the name may have come from the production team.

 

Just checked my original trilogy hardcover and it is in there. It is a current print of the novelizations of ANH, ESB and RoTJ.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-star-wars-trilogy-lucas-george/1112352844

 

The name does not appear in any version of the script I've found online, nor any of the 1978-1979 production artwork from the ESB Sketchbook or Art of ESB (it's simply called "Boba Fett's ship"). Both Donald F. Glut's novelization and the almost-concurrent Marvel comic adaptation from spring 1980 do use it, though, so the most likely scenario is that the name was established at some point late in the production process, maybe late 1979, in time to start showing up in tie-ins and merchandising. Lucas almost certainly either came up with the name himself or signed off on it, given how prominently it appeared in the merchandising.

 

Side note, it wouldn't be odd for Lego not to use a ship's real name. Sets for the Night Buzzard, Soulless One, Fang Fighter and the Havoc Marauder all use generic names.
Though previous Slave 1 lego sets called it Slave 1.

 

By removing a word, you are eliminating the history of the word. Yes, slavery existed, yes slavery was bad. So don't eliminate the word just because YOU don't like it.

 

Is it just the Lego set? Because starwars.com still uses "Slave I".

This isn't really a big deal.

 

Ive heard this is because of the search results the term gives in some countries.

 

We were discussing this over in the JCC. Something about how "slave" turns up pornographic search results in some places. Someone also mentioned something about how Lego has used generic names for Star Wars vehicles in the past, therefore this shouldn't be an issue.

 

Discussing slavery as a real-world issue is definitely important, but I don't think that a Lego set is a logical starting point for that discussion. No one's going to forget such a major part of history because a fictional spaceship was renamed, that's a silly argument.

It's quite possible that in early December we'll learn that Boba has renamed his ship. In that case, any merchandise won't have the new name due to spoilers, nor the soon-to-be-outdated name Slave I.

 

I'm very sure that the ship's name was known well before ESB came out -- the novel was out (and I read it) a month or so before the film, and a lot of the teaser articles in places like Starlog and Bantha Tracks and Topps cards had profiles of Boba that almost certainly mentioned it. It's one of those things that was universally known lore without being said in the films, like "Dark Lord of the Sith" or "tusken raider".

 

I think as a general rule ships which have a widely known name (the Millenium Falcon, the Razor Crest, the Twilight, the Slave I, the Rogue Shadow) got to keep their name in the box while others didn't.

 

You know, I suppose this is as good a time as any to ask - was there ever actually a reason it was called the Slave I (and for that matter why Boba was attached enough to the name theme to have a Slave II in Legends)? Neither Boba nor Jango were ever slavers in-universe. I guess there's at least some conceivable overlap with the bounty hunting profession, but even there, you'd think it'd be a more appropriate ship name for, I dunno, Bossk or somebody.

 

I always assumed that I was a reference to the ship being their ‘slave’?

 

I took it to mean something about master/slave programming, where one device holds command over executing associated devices. I think Star Wars also uses slave circuitry terminology in relation to the Katana Fleet in TTT.