Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Yeah, the only use the actual class name if there is no descriptive name. Like the UCS Y-Wing etc.

Some people are finding this weird though, because all the other Bounty Hunter ship names are listed out with their names, not class names. But that just spins me back around to Disney not wanting to use Slave 1 in marketing.

 

I gotta say this is not something worth getting worked up about at all. "Firespray" or "Boba Fett's ship" is perfectly fine.

 

Considering that it's supposed to be one of the prototype ships of the class (or at least in the EU) and the only surviving one, I don't see the issue, other than Star Wars tradition of not understanding how to name 'class ships'.

 

Wait, have you met us Star Wars fans?

 

crossposted from headcanon topic because it is a fleetjunkie headcanon:

I headcanon that Mon Calamari have badass tricks against enemies boarding their vessels. A fully Mon Cala/Quarren crewed cruiser (not those shared with the Rebels and non-Dac people) can defend itself quite well against any boarding Stormtroopers or enemies.

Imagine them flooding the entire ship interior to not allow any non-aquatic lifeforms to board them. And once the Empire sends Scubatroopers through the airlock, they just vent them back out into space along some water. Or they keep some sections pressurized with air to lure the enemy in, then flood all surrounding ones to trap them. Or release some vile sharks and other wildlife they keep at their inner sanctum.

Likewise in spacecombat, the excess water carried can be flushed out special airlocks all over the hull to form an instantfrozen water shield around the cruiser that can at the very least deflect or take some hit out of incoming lasers and missiles that then would detonate at a distance to the main hull, much like ancient times ships used secondary hulls back when energy shields were still not powerful enough.

Next up they could even fire water carried in torpedos that then explode near by enemy vessels, or if shot down spread their flashfrozen water all over the enemy ship, temporarily blinding it to sight, disturbing sensors, or even impeding any outgoing weapons, in addition to freezing on the hull and damaging the ship. (Akin to Chiss acid spheres!)

And if that is not enough, their submergible ships are ideal for not only holding against water pressure and space but likewise gases, so they can hide in gasplanets or pass through them and surprise attack enemies or even lure them into traps within gasclouds.

Best of all though might be their water use for camouflage as they on purpose freeze a closed watersphere around their ship to drift silent running style through enemy territory looking like a harmless ice asteroid that though quickly can come back alive and deadly blazing with all guns if needed.

 

Hmm, seems like it would be a huge amount of trouble to haul around that much water just for that purpose though.

Come to think of it, is water valuable in the Star Wars universe? If you're constantly taking water from inhabitable planets and then dumping it in space, pretty soon....

 

New(?) ship from High Republic

Spoiler

 

So This ship from Star Trek Voyager almost looks like a Chibi Y-Wing lmao. Like I'd believe you if you told me it was from Star Wars. the core of the ship did come from a Star Destroyer model kit.

 

I get big time Kenner Mini-Rig vibes from it. Stick a rotating turret on top, round off the nacelles a bit, and you could easily have a "Scout Y-Wing" or something similar.

 

So that's where Tagge got the idea for Omega Frost!

 

Fractal updated his Tector with some Rogue One and ANH details
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ZGyDgN

Looks great

 

It looks like an intermediate between the Imperial-class and the Allegiance-class - extra side turrets, short neck.

 

I have read that we've just gotten an official name for the Razor Crest's model on an X-Wing Miniature card: it's an ST-70 Assault Ship.

 

A FFG sourcebook gave us the name Hammerhead-class corvette (with a completely wrong length and builder) that was soon overwritten, so I'm sceptical until it appears in something less ambiguously canon.

 

Razor Crest's class may have been in the Visual Guide had they not decided to cancel it. The least they could do is release something.

 

How large do you think High Republic era ships are? Like the Jedi main cruiser and Republic cruisers?

They are described as very large, but by what measure or comparison given later eras supercruisers and past eras giant vessels?

 

Given that the Legends ship, the Procurator-class Star Battlecruiser, was introduced right around this time (High Republic is around 232 BBY according to Wookieepedia, and the Procurator was introduced around 219 BBY and was apparently the first true battlecruiser,

then (if that sort of Legends info is still true in the newcanon) the biggest line ships in the High Republic are probably approaching that size, but not quite that big.

The Legends version of the Procurator is 2500m - but Fractalsponge's version is 3400m, and it's possible that newcanon will hew closer to Fractalsponge figures than Legends figures, if they bring him on board for "canonising his versions of old Legends ships".

 

A familiar fighter design has shown up in the latest Vader comic

Spoiler

 

Just left cinema after watching the new DUNE... well, some evil fat Mon Cal Cruisers they got in there...

Buuuut that aside I was wondering something else:

In the GFFA past when Hyperdrives were not availeable to every ship and huge carriers had to take smaller ships across hyperspace, kinda like in Dune, what would they look like?

One design, the Shieldship, is huge and can hide a fleet behind itself and help it safely approach worlds closer to the sun as in the Thrawn trilogy of Legends. A similiar vessel might carry attached fleets through hyperspace maybe. Unless one goes with a narrower design like Dune, still huge though, that kinda carries the fleet in its midst, like a spaceworm kinda, the hyperspacecapable ones they were inspired by in the first place, Purgill or Exogorths?

Would it even require a huge carrier? Might small craft be enough, slaving electronically all ships together Katana Fleet style? Like small boats guiding and pulling big cruisers in and out of harbors?

 

Spoilers! I'm waiting for the cinemas to reopen in Australia to see it.

 

Good question.

I could honestly see it working like in battletech, with specialized jumpships that other kinds of ships could attach onto when they needed to go into hyperspace.

 

Star Wars tech tended to evolve along a different path.

The "ability" to reach hyperspace was not the difficulty in the GFFA. They achieved that early and even miniaturized the tech for small ships thousands of years in the past. The problem was navigation in Star Wars, which was less about power and more about knowledge or luck (or the force).

Sleeper Ships, predating any hyperspace tech, likely used the mothership/nestship concept, especially if the ship was a seeder ship that didn't stop, but just dropped off colony plants as it passed by.

But once hyperdrives came online...it actually was safer to make smaller ships...less risk when losing a small ship to a rogue star then a giant worldship with generations of people and investment onboard.

 

Yes but the ability to navigate in unknown territory or find shortcuts often required a Forceuser to not use trial and error like early scouts had to. And Forceusers were rare, so the fewer you need for a trip the better, meaning if one can steer a fleet through Hyperspace instead of just a single ship, then a larger vessel makes sense again as a carrier.

Navigation though was also about power, albeit a different kind of power. Not power in the sense of power output of a ships reactor but rather political power as many cultures did not share maps as in later times with BoSS established. The Guilds, like the Claatuvac kept their routes secret and sold them to the highest bidder like entire scout companies did, like Czerkas scouting wing to locate new paths and ressource-rich worlds. So galactic travel required either a Forceuser to be free of up to date maps, or easily availeable maps that are up to date and not outdated or rarely checked for correctness like on lesser hyperlanes. Knowledge was power and maps a guarded and traded secret.

So until Force Astrogation became obsolete, who could afford a Jedi navigator? How rare were they and if a Jedi does not agree to navigate warships, those need other means, slower methods. Or use the same old sleeperships, hyperspace cannon and other tricks. Individual spacetravel may be rare as you needed good reasons to make a trip and afford it. Politics and science being two examples, less so tourism.

Imagine the difference between Hyperspace travel times in the movie era, be it 2 weeks across the galaxy or 2 hours depending on sources and craft/drive, in the distant past it would have been far more diverse with travel methods and prices ranging from Force Astrogation trips taking few hours/days up to weeks, months if not half your life going for old traditional travel methods on safe routes only.