Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

That may also be a mistake with the Boarding Craft, which has a similarly sized middle section and two connected pods that both carry passengers:

 

So I was thinking the other day...

How many rooms in a normal production ISD?

How many types of rooms could I think up. I saw a breakdown once that suggested, given the size of the ship, even a full compliment crew (37,000?) could easily have their own quarters given the available space...but that assumes the space is not otherwise occupied. What else would occupy the space?

So...I put it to you all...what are all the "rooms" in an Imperial Star Destroyer:

1. Bridge
2. Hangar
3. Auxiliary Hangar
4. Crew Barracks
5. Officer's Quarters
6. Captain's Cabin
7. Brig
8. Crew Dinning
9. Officer's Dinning
10. Kitchens
11. Armory
12. Maintenance Stations
13. Power Plant
14. Engine Maintenance
15. Hyperdrive Control
16. Droid Maintenance
17. Fire Control
18. Guest Quarters
19. Conference Rooms
20. Interrogation Rooms
21. Cargo Bays
22. Training Rooms / Gymnasium
23. Shield Control / Maintenance
24. Tractor Beam Control
25. Soldier Barracks
26. Weapon's Range
27. Medical Stations
28. Communications Control
29. Sensors Control
30. Trash Compaction
31. Water Collection/Reclamation
32. Bathrooms/Washrooms
33. Laundry

Please add on as you can.

Beyond this, is conceptualizing how many of each room, and the dimensions they would require.

For example: Kitchens to serve 37,000 daily...is there a centralized Kitchen with service to scattered dinning halls? a huge central crew hall? Are their kitchens on every level with kitchen staffs serving crews on each deck? Different menus on different decks? Seems inefficient.

But there is the crux of the whole thought exercise...how much of the ship was dedicated to massive single purpose operations, vs multiple redundant operations throughout the ship. Can an argument be made for scheduling thousands of solders through routine dining, bathing, training in large rooms, or is it more "regional" and crew rarely venture far from their quarters, mess, and work station?

If you start to think about the scale of the vessel, comparison to naval ship operations starts to become less realistic.
The WWII-esque nature of Star Wars is thwarted by just how far you would have to go to find a meal.
If you start to think about Imperial doctrine and practice, comparison to sci-fi ship operations (like Star Trek) break down completely. Not going to be science stations, counselors, or holodecks on an ISD. Might be lucky to find a lounge or 2 in the officer's sections.

I have been trying to remember any EU references to regular ship operations, which were rare, but they seldom speak at scale.

I know the cross sections took the approach of "GIANT ENGINE" stuff to fill cavernous space inside, which we probably have to take at face value, but they tend to be thin on the day to day crew sections.

Just a thought exercise. So many years talking about how big these things are, their mission profiles, their variants...just want to imagine all that space filled in.

 

Well this is the Enterprise-D from Star Trek and not a Star Destroyer, but probably still relevant as a point of reference in discussing crew space:

 

More ECHenry haha.

 

What a coincidence that this topic got raised, as I recently re-read the section of The Black Fleet Crisis dealing with the wreck of the Gnisnal and was trying to visualize all of those decks and sections mentioned within.

 

Dark Force Rising has that whole sequence when Luke and Mara break Karrde out of confinement. They break into a crew lounge / pilot ready room to steal disguises. Dark Horse's Dark Force Rising #5 depicts that sequence, so some internal visuals of the Chimera. There's also the "Deep Storage" where the Falcon was being stored.

 

You know I think you're right!
After having a closer look the middle section is similar in height, but stretches further back, than the main part of the TIE Bomber's middle section (it doesn't have the bottom part of the TIE Bombers mid section). Similar to the TIE Bomber it could have a crawl way through the middle, but it's height would probably only be 60-80cm high, which isn't great if you have to crawl through it in full Stormtrooper armour.
I can only think the extra passenger space in the cockpit pod is for when it has somewhere it can land, and isn't used when it has to use the boarding hatch.

 

At least we know why the corridors are always so empty.

 

I think we finally got a good look at the fighter used by the Rhokai gang in this week's bad batch:

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During the transition where they show the underworld portal and the Martez garage, I think the ship in the foreground is the same type of ship. I mean, it is hard to tell since we saw little of it in its first appearance, but I think it looks similar, and it makes sense to reuse the model rather than bother to make two throw away ship models.

Good analysises, I have thought much the same - I mean, I expect that even some of the Hosnian survivors would have surrendered or gone down in localized last stands, and one could argue that there couldn't have been too much of the NRDF at Exogal or else the "Its not a fleet just people" thing wouldn't be there, but I can definitely see surviving NRDF force being the backbone of local defense and resistance groups.

.....honestly, the story I want most for this era is a BSG style story of a New Republic ship that wasn't at Hosnian due to being on patrol or under maintenance, and then ends up leading a force of rescued PSF and civilian volunteer ships to wage a guerilla war against the First Order. Which admittedly is stepping on the toes of Resistance a bit but you know, larger scale...what can I say, it is fun story archetype.

 

You get a screen grab?

 

Not the best quality, but I have these:

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For comparison, here is https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rhokai_gang_starfighter
Note the large back engines, blocky front, and struts hanging down from the wings. Almost something Cylon Raider esque about it...

 

Thanks. And Iagree...it looks like it.

 

I was pursuing a collection of TCW material when I found this, I think the ship might be a modification of this Coruscant taxi cab design. Certainly the square prongs on the front and two big conical engines look similar, though the possible fighter has much larger wings giving it kind of a manta shape.

Honestly, given how brief the fighter's appearance was and how little it was in focus, I suppose it makes sense to modify an existing model rather make up a whole new one.

 

Nice find! Comparing the two they match up pretty closely. The main differences I've noticed are:

• The wings added to the bottom
• The main cabin width looks to have been reduced by half. This has also brought the engines closer together.
  
• Engines appear to have had the rear part and lower fins removed. They also appear to have been shaped to give a similar top down silhouette to the the taxi.
• Two guns have been added to the front
• The front fins may have been extended further downwards.

 

So, the mini-Eclipse showed up in the first Mando S3 ep. Looks vaguely Kuati? Also seems Arquitens-ish in size.

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I really like the hangar style (visible in the concept art), almost Venator-ish.
Also...

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...I think we might be seeing that Gozanti again in the future, with the rest of Bo-Katan's former fleet.

 

Spoiler: The Hidden Empire #4

More detailed look on Crimson Dawn's fleet and recanonization of Royal Guard TIE/IN starfighter.

 

Ahh I was about to post that!

 

Wish it was bigger...not ISD bigger but just bigger.

 

Excellent observations. Somehow I totally missed the blasters on there even though I knew from the chase that these ships were armed. And overall more distinctions than I first thought, while still maintaining an overall similar look.

I will headcanon them as produced by the same company. I mean, incom makes civilian airspeeders as well as military fighters, so why not these guys?

That big, my first thought was something more corvette sized.

But yeah, even ignoring the eclipse resemble it does seem pretty imperial/kauti. Stolen and modified like the Demolisher perhaps?

Overall, very cool looking - I especially love

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the stripes that remind me of dazzle camouflage, and the turrets - which looked like B-17 ball turrets, but were deployed in a way evocative of a galleon opening its gunports and extending its canons. Very star wars mix of inspirations there.

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That sounds like a safe bet. I wonder what else they might have. Stolen imperial mostly, but it would fun to see some other designs, particularly if they brought back crusader corvetters or keldabe battleships from EaW.

Very cool, thanks for the heads up.

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Much better looks at the cruiser and frigate designs, plus new landers and corvettes. All the need is a few more fighter types and they could be a playable faction in squadrons.

Fleet junkies are eating good today. Also shoutout to the Bad Batch and

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The imperial research ship with the giant stun ray. Given the godzilla influence for the Zillo beast and how the stun tanks were based on maser tanks, I wonder if this ship was a shout out to the super-x aircraft, some of the few human weapons to ever give godzilla trouble.

 

Spoiler: Mando season 3 episode 1

Also Guavian Ship in the background, but not red.

 

Mando:

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That tiny Eclipse-y thing looked like a cross between Eclipse and a Marauder class Corvette... But I liked its different flat hangar and topside docking capabilities as per concept art best visible in the episodes end!

Bad Batch:

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I do wonder if the ship that transported the Zillo beast was the same or similiar to the ship Sidan Ithano has in TFA. The backside profile looks exactly the same. The Crimson Corsair though was much shorter and if not mistaken by far not as tall!

 

The Wook lists the

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mini-Eclipse as a "Corsair." Also, looking at the bridge and overall size relative to the fighter, it looks like it's been heavily scaled-up from the concept art.

 

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