Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

The Rebels version main difference from the original prop is less proportional (with the obvious exception of the severely truncated and simplified spar) and more polygonal - what details are copied are pretty much exactly the same and not redone, just much lower resolution. Incidentally, the Rogue One model matches the promotional model used in the Ultimate Star Wars and Star Wars The Visual Encyclopedia reference books, but is much higher resolution and slightly modified.

I think the deflector tower is actually from an M41 Walker Bulldog, but honestly M41s, M47s, M48s, and M4 Shermans were practically all interchangeably used in film for various tanks so who cares. I don't count it as a weapon outright since I've never seen it specifically stated or implied to be so, but I don't rule out the possibility.

And which additional weapons positions to are you referring to that I was referring to? I forgot. I said there are a bunch of various greebles that could be construed as weapons, and of course it's possible that there are weapons hidden under the superstructure that can pop out like the phasers in JJ Abrams' Star Trek. But the only definite weapons on the Nebulon B that are either unmistakably armament or else declared to be such in canon reference material that I have seen are as follows:

- ESB/ROTJ: 1 turret on top of main hull, 1 turret on top of starboard aft hull (right behind "deflector tower"), 1 rearward facing turret on back of stack, prow laser and turbolaser at bottom of stack​

- Rebels: 1 triple turret on top of main hull (same position as single cannon on ESB model), prow laser and turbolaser at bottom of stack​

- Rogue One: 1 forward facing double turret on each side of lower half of main hull (2 total), 1 forward facing double turret on top of aft hull (in the center), 1 forward facing double turret under the connection of the spar to the rear hull, prow laser and turbolaser at bottom of stack.​

 

I think the only difference with the KDY system over Anaxes was at the upper end of the spectrum, going Star Dreadnought, Star Battlecruiser, Star Cruiser, Star Destroyer...etc.

 

I'll echo what others said about the frigates at Endor- we can easily assume that the one we see close up each time is the Redemption, leaving the more heavily armed version seen in RO as the standard escort frigate model. Having the turbolaser cannon on the top of the nose, a turret on each side of the forward hull, and a few in the prow gives the Nebbie a good forward firepower. I'd love to see the frigates in action using their weapons, as I'd imagine that they'd outgun and outfight a Arquitens-class light cruiser pretty well.

--Adm. Nick

 

I like imagining the prow turbolaser at the bottom of the stack being a real bug-zapper, plowing through shields and armor like a pile driver.

 

Apologies for not having answered this sooner - I was the Ewok-sidekick co-author on WARFARE, which was where the "Anaxes" system came in, so I suppose I can comment on this one... but this is just a placeholder reply, because I want to check some things to make sure I have everything right (and I'm sure some people will be quick to correct me if I'm wrong here)...

In broad terms, the "standard Imperial" system was used in various places in the pre-reboot canon (novels, continuity guides, computer games) - if memory serves, there were more-or-less complete enumerations of types in two WEG sourcebooks, the Slavicsek continuity encyclopedia and TIE Fighter computer-game manual, but as well as these explicit lists, people did things like calling ships in the 200-400m bracket frigates and treating anything above 1km as big (it shaped both the NRDF's suite of "new class" designs and the type-designations appended to Yuuzhan Vong ships, for example) - it was used for the simple reason that the continuity rules then in use took an all-inclusive approach (and it fitted what was in the movies - it didn't exclude really big ships, it just regarded them as unusually, outrageously large pointy Imperial things that were like ISDs only way bigger)...

The "Anaxes" system came about because of a perception that (at least from a certain point of view) there ought to be accommodation for more types of large hull - as King of Alsakan says, it basically adds more top-end categories, and actually fits with references to obsolete multi-kilometer "dreadnaughts", which have been around since before WEG.

I can't remember if anyone's actually ever defined a distinct "KDY" system...

Thanks. I guess I need to look more closely at some things!

I'm also not completely sure that every frigate in REBELS is armed the same - the main pic used on the wook and the REBELS wiki seem to show the Vanguard with the original single emplacement above the bows, and that sort of variation is something that would provide context for the difference between the type at Scarif and what we thought was the standard look...

One thing I need to look into - the "triple turret" on the bows in REBELS, with the central cylinder projecting further forward than the side ones, seems very like the "triple mounting" fitted into the kitbashed American tank turret (it is as you say apparently from a Tamiya 1:35 scale M41) on top of the engineering hull of the original version...

Hmm. How about it's a "standard Rebel upgrade", to explain why Dodonna's ships have none in REBELS?

The Arquitens makes for a useful analogy to the changing armament of the Nebulon-B, actually, as the version in the Clone Wars has broadside guns that are apparently removed (or "run in", sailing-navy style?) on the Imperial version... and there's a concussion missile launcher on either side as well, isn't there, which is still there in REBELS, although I don't think we ever see it used...?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Oh my word I totally forgot, there's bona fide visual evidence of broadside capability on the Nebulon B because one (possibly the Redemption but probably just another unnamed ship reusing the model) engages with the Executor herself, and yes that hull prop is that of the Executor, used for closeup shots elsewhere in the Battle of Endor and at the end of Empire Strikes Back when the Falcon escapes Cloud City.

 

Is it just me, or does that Neb-B look a lot bigger in that shot.

Or the corvette a lot smaller....

 

Compositing flub, they were photographed separately from different directions, so the CR90 appears to reverse and get smaller as the Nebulon seems to approach the camera and get larger.

 

What about the TIE Interceptor next to the upper hull...does that give us a reasonable scale comparison?

 

If we stick with what we established last time in terms of Nebulon B hangars then yes it is a good scale

 

dp

 

Given that the Interceptors X-wings and A-wings seem to be composited normally and moving in relation to each other and the rest of the scene appropriately, I'd say so. The error only seems to affect the CR90. They might be slightly undersized or oversized, but most likely it's very close to what's intended, unlike the CR90, which is very obviously out of scale to a very large degree.

 

Thanks guys...that then says to me 1 squadron / 12 fighters. 1/2 in racks and 1/2 on the deck. This gives enough space for the fighters and additional space for support equipement, maintenance, etc...

 

Different tangent....did they ever do cross section art for the Naboo Skiff from RoTS?? All the other Naboo Royal ships got one but I have not seen an for the skiff anywhere.

 

They almost did in 2005 but the designs hadn't been finalised by the time the book went into production, so it missed out.
Much like the GR-75, Liberty and Cloud Cars have missed out in subsequent re-releases, it just never got round to it (the addition of Dornean gunships and Hammerhead corvettes, along with the Ghost, may play a factor into all of them being included in a canon version whenever they get round to releasing it).

 

They have an entry in the TCW vehicles reference book, but no cross-section. And holy crap I can't believe I never noticed there was no cloud car that was my favorite as a kid how did it not get in

 

Really wish they would just do a Volume 2 for that instead of re-releasing with all the additional content.

Do Eps 1 - 6 in one book then do additional movie books til they have enough for a combined Vol 2..and add in all the missed ships.

Same with the locations book. Don't release a new "complete locations" that has all the previous content with a few new ones for the new movie. Just create a new volume with the new movie locations.

 

At least they added Home One and the Medical Frigate Redemption is subsequent editions. I'd personally love to see the Liberty-type star cruiser as well, ditto the Profundity.

--Adm. Nick

 

In the Battlefront 2 Starfighter Assault showcase at Gamescom today, the ISD that was parked in the Fondor dock had a bunch of itty bitty single cannon turbolaser towers greebling the upper surface of the hull.

Edit: Underside too, cant get a good look at the MC80 though

 

They should do posters for larger ships. Let us see more of the detail.

 

I love this gameplay footage. It shows a lot of the Fondor stage, including what seems to be other shipyards forming a ring encompassing Fondor itself, those cool TIE-like sentry stations, the "hangar ship" portion of the shipyards and the intense dogfighting. They even refer to that modified Mon Cal cruiser attacking as a "battlecruiser".

 

It wouldn't happened to be called Remember Alderaan, would it?

 

here it is

 

here it is

 

The defense platforms have CW-era cannons on each side:

 

Yeah you right