Focus Group Update: Negotiating Peace in the Canon Wars (Updated 12/6)

If the EU makes a person happy and enhances their enjoyment of the franchise, that's wonderful. If it's just the opposite for another person, that's great, too. I never understood this whole debate. I really don't.

 

The point is not to bash the EU. Why spend time talking about it if you don't like it? Talk about what you do like, such as the movies.

The thread is for movie fans who don't want to be lumped in with the Purist/basher image.

Just thought I'd post that again, because it was well-said and will hopefully be a guideline used in the future of the thread.

 

If the EU makes a person happy and enhances their enjoyment of the franchise, that's wonderful. If it's just the opposite for another person, that's great, too. I never understood this whole debate. I really don't.

DS, me neither. And I've got into many fracas with EU'ers about it.

Its all about tolerance and ignorance. There isn't that much tolerance for each others opinions frankly (but the guys in the FG seem to have come to an understanding which is great).
And there seems to be some wilful ignorance on the matter too, both EU'ers and Saga-ists/Purists are guilty of this.
From my experience with EU'ers some of them will not accept my explanation of why I dont take the EU to be canon, or keep badgering me to repeat myself ad neuseum (then I realised you shouldnt post in the Lit forum if you dont take the EU to be canon! ). Plus I did get attacked quite a bit just for expressing my opinion. Being "illogical" came up alot from what I recall.

Personally I think its fine to like just the movies or like the movies and the EU. Whatever floats a persons boat.

There is no point fighting over opinions.

 

From my experience with EU'ers some of them will not accept my explanation of why I dont take the EU to be canon, or keep badgering me to repeat myself ad neuseum (then I realised you shouldnt post in the Lit forum if you dont take the EU to be canon! ). Plus I did get attacked quite a bit just for expressing my opinion. Being "illogical" came up alot from what I recall.

Exactly. That and I find it offensive that people bash the movies and Lucas and then praise the EU as better than the movies. If it weren't for the movies, the EU wouldn't exist.

I don't much care if people like the EU--there are a few parts of it that I like myself--but when I get slammed because I don't think Mara rocks, or I don't think Boba Fett should come back to life, or I don't think the Solo kids should get kidnapped--and I'm getting slammed by the same people who say that George Lucas should never be allowed near another Star Wars movie--I start to wonder if I'm on a Star Wars fan site or an EU fan site.

 

Exactly. That and I find it offensive that people bash the movies and Lucas and then praise the EU as better than the movies. If it weren't for the movies, the EU wouldn't exist.

I, for one, have never done this. And I agree that some people can take it a bit far. But I'm of the opinion that bashing of any kind shouldn't exist, whether it be the movies, the EU, or Lucas, or the EU authors, etc.

 

ousley: Most completists probably don't do this...at least let's hope not. The rudest ones are always the loudest though, and I think that's also true of the purists (the ones who tell you you're idiots if you like the EU--something I have never done).

I'd like to see a site with no bashing allowed, particularly of either Lucas, the actors, or the authors. I think this would be a much more pleasant place if we could allow constructive criticism and friendly disagreement, but not bashing.

 

ousley: Most completists probably don't do this...at least let's hope not. The rudest ones are always the loudest though, and I think that's also true of the purists (the ones who tell you you're idiots if you like the EU--something I have never done).

I can agree with that. I haven't seen very many instances of this, and I nkow its not common. There are certain things in the EU that I have liked better than certain scenes in the films, though I don't think that's too uncommon. The only real problem I have with the "Without the movies, there would be no EU" arguement is this:

Without ANH, there would be no ESB. So should people be able to say they like any movie better than ANH (by that reasoning)? Also, there was EU material released before ESB, not that it really matters to much to the arguement, but if the stuff wasn't popular, ESB may have been either different or not exist.

 

I'd like to see a site with no bashing allowed, particularly of either Lucas, the actors, or the authors. I think this would be a much more pleasant place if we could allow constructive criticism and friendly disagreement, but not bashing.

I share that sentiment. But its going to be quite difficult when you have the odd few wilful troublemakers who don't care for such policies.

 

The rudest ones are always the loudest though, and I think that's also true of the purists (the ones who tell you you're idiots if you like the EU--something I have never done).

Very true. We're discussing that in the FG right now. I think I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people we've had to give strikes to so far under the new rule. But those same few people have been antagonizing others everywhere - CT, the new saga-ist thread, you name it.

Well, I agree it would be better if there were no bashing anywhere, but it's up to mods of other forums now to decide if that would benefit their forums. In general, we've been trying not to let people get away with too much bashing of any sort in CT, be it EU-bashing, RotJ-bashing, PT-bashing, or whatever. A lot of CT regulars are there because they don't like the PT. I recognize that. But respectful disagreement will always be allowed.

 

Just an announcement that we've wrapped up the focus group because we think we've addressed all that needed to be addressed. I was very pleased with what we accomplished in the group, because as controversial and drama-inducing as the topic was, we managed to develop some good new policies, and I think both sides have been more civil in CT lately as a result.

We'll make the board publically-viewable either tonight or tomorrow, so hopefully the skeptics will see for themselves and be convinced that Focus Groups have a purpose after all.

 

The Focus Group is now open for public viewing here. Enjoy.

 

Aw Sithspit, you beat me to it Mara.

I feel that it has done a lot of good in the CT and perhaps even to all of the movie forums as a whole. The focus group has been worth it.

I would like to thank all of the members who put in so much work in making this thing succeed.

 

Is it too late to edit my posts?

 

E_V, that last post in the FG thread was out of control. I was ROTFLMAO.

 

LAST POST!!!

 

Hehehe, glad you liked it.

I really did get bored last night, so I figured what the hey.

I might add some more later, perhaps tommorow evening or something.

 

"So any person reading this topic, can pick up at least something "real" and educational. Patton is always educational!"

I'd rather watch the movie, thank you.

 

Yeah, but you can get a short bio of Churchill, soon a short bio on Lincoln and Neil Armstrong. Heck, you never know who I might throw in. So long as I'm bored enough to continue editing my last post for educational purposes.

The movie Patton is very good, I will give you that.

 

I have noticed a decrease in the number of canon debates lately.

BTW EV, its up to you to keep us updated for when you update your last post.

 

Will do. I've been fairly busy right now so I have not gotten around to doing any more updates yet. I'm shooting for tonight though.

 

I have too. I'd like to think our having drawn attention to this issue has led more people to think about their behavior. Also, the first few people to have gotten a strike under the new rule, although most of them have griped a lot, have been much more careful about toeing the line lately. I hope this will ultimately turn out to be a rule that helps the community rather than a rule for rules' sake, but we'll see how things continue to develop.

 

I'm rather curious to know how many people have actually read the thread, and what their impressions are (both about canon as well as FG's in general.)

Any word from the Mod squad on the process itself? Are there any other FG's going on right now?

 

Updated. It's not all that good, at least I don't think so, since I did it so late at night.

There are currently 4 underway, and I don't really recall reading about the MSs opinion on specific groups. Perhaps I missed something though.

 

That's likely.