Amph "Forget all you know, or think you know." - The Willow Discussion Thread

Another blah episode.

This ^^^^^^^^^

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The Brownie cameo was pretty sad. The trailers got you all excited that they'd be their usual funny selves and bring some belly laughs to the show, but apparently they're just too old. It was like a tease. I'm still not keen on any of the actors/characters for the most part. So Jade is among Kael's offspring...and she's infatuated with the daughter of the one who killed him. Didn't see that one coming...maybe if I was paying attention I'd have guessed it. The dialogue is still cringe-worthy; and outside of a slimmer between Kit and Jade, I haven't found any good chemistry with any actors. I feel bad, because I'm sure Warwick Davis has enjoyed his return to the character that put his name on the map. I watch these episodes merely because it's there, but I still find myself paying attention to the time left.

At the very least, they could've used Joan Jett's cover of the song, but I guess Disney didn't want to pay for the royalties.

 

Plot-wise it feels like it hasn't gone anywhere because it hasn't. There's no sense of urgency to save Airk but they make sure to talk about it each week otherwise we'd forget why they're all together on this "quest" in the first place.

105 "Wildwood" was a slog. I had 13 minutes left in the episode and I almost turned it off.

Sadly there are still 3 episodes left.

 

Oh, weird -- I loved that last episode. Sorry it's not working for you. Go to hell, Tony!

 

Just watched the new episode.

That’s about it.

I don’t like this.

I wonder what they plan to destroy next?

 

The thing is, each week, I want to like it . The magic just isn't there, with the writing and in the fantasy sense. It's got "A Knight's Tale" vibe except the characters are actually likable and work well together in that movie. Boorman was the most likable character but has just become a walking contradiction.

In Willow '88 I cared about baby Elora as I didn't want to see a baby get hurt so I was almost immediately endeared to the character. Her reaction shots are funny and warm the heart. When we're introduced to Willow he's a simple farmer with a family and when his wife gives him a lock of her hair before leaving - tears! Willow and Meegosh's friendship immediately made me think of Sam and Frodo and I loved them together. I could go on and on, gushing over the original, and unfortunately there has not been one point in the ~5ish hours of the new series that gives me one good reason to care about any of the characters.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure why they chose this as a story that needed expanding.
I don't think the original movie is that good and is it even hugely popular?
I don't recall a toy line for it or a huge fanbase.

Who was supposed to get excited about this show, Warwick Davis fans?

It certainly has potential like most fantasy shows, but like so many Lucasfilm productions these days it doesn't know what it wants to be & so it's nothing

 

I think I'm watching it just to watch it.

 

I don't think it needed expanding. I think a sequel has been talked about for a very long time. I think audiences wanted more adventures with a young Willow and Madmartigan similar to when Star Wars ended in '83 and people wanted more adventures. Unfortunately, we didn't get them then so we're getting them now, and in both instances, they've been lackluster to say the least.

Personally, I think Warwick Davis is great. The British mockumentary "Life's Too Short" is pretty darn funny.

 

Its an ok tv show.

 

Just finished episode 5. I think Warwick Davis is great in this series - he's very subtly funny. And the situations this group find themselves in are so ridiculous, with just enough movie nostalgia, I can't look away. I wasn't even a big fan of the movie but I love every reference the series makes to it - including the trolls at the end of this episode, something only barely glimpsed in the movie.

There's a lot of mythology under the surface in the Willow movie that didn't get fleshed out because it followed the narrow story of Willow protecting the baby, and this series is exploring the larger world that was barely hinted at. Maybe the movie didn't need expanding, but it's so rich with potential, why not? I'm glad this series is doing it.

Unfortunately, I think the overall reception to the series has been lackluster, so I'm not confident there will be a second season, but I really hope there is.

 

With 3 episodes left, I'm hoping the writers actually wrote a "satisfying" conclusion to the story they're presenting, but I have a feeling they're mostly world building and tying movie threads/characters to the series.

There is a rich mythology with lots of names and places dropped in the film that you have to watch multiple times to catch. I do love the movie but there are moments of "tell" instead of "show" where I'd prefer the "show" rather than the "tell".

 

Tbh, at this point comparing the movie to the series is just giving a disservice to the film. There was chemistry among all of the characters in the film. Willow and Kaya. Madmartigan and Sorsha. Willow and Meegosh. Willow and Madmartigan. Even Bavmorda and Kael lol. You have to dig deep to find anything in the series.

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Maybe the two kids Kit and Jade; but it seems pushed for the most part. The Graydon and Elora thing is like two pieces of cardboard. And if that ever develops further into something more, will everyone just forget about Arik completely?

 

is the Slaughtered Lamb a reference to an American Werewolf (altho I can't think why)?

 

There is a bar in NYC called the Slaughtered Lamb. I went there with friends for my 21st birthday. I don't remember that night at all.

 

I started watching it and after 12 minutes I realized I was 12 minutes closer to death, and I turned it off.

 

Wow, you didnt really like Willow.

 

No, I just like every other part of life better.

 

Just watched the lastest episode.

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As if you didn't think the show couldn't get any dumber or more cornier, now trolls have personality? Ugh. Talk about cringe-worthy. They're this episode's comic relief. Christian Slater's appearance (albeit brief, single-episode) was somewhat interesting for awhile; but like the rest of the main characters, I still don't particularly care for any of them. And just like the last episode, we get a brief glimpse of Jim Morriso...I mean Airk. Don't ask me where the heck he is; I haven't a clue.

 

Nothing can save the show for me at this point. It will be a one and done for my clicks on the rate count.

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So the trolls are now white and smart yet still dumb af.. ok

Good Vibrations. No!

The red hair is coming back. Ok that’s fine and I still wonder if Bahvmorda comes back the hair from the spell in movie will play any part with her essence..

I can’t stand any part of Jade and Kit together or separate.

Boorman and the other kid are the only ok characters in this show for me and they are overdoing Boorman being Boorman imo.

Airk can only be interesting to me at this point if he goes full Bahvmorda evil heir.

This show is a stinker.

 

I didn't remember there was a new episode today until it was getting dark. And I still didn't rush to watch it for a few hours. Apparently I'm losing interest.

At least for the totally inappropriate pop song this week, it was the original and not a really bad cover. I actually sat through the credits just cuz that's a great song.

 

Good song, just how it's supposed to relate to anything going on in the show is beyond me.

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I guess maybe we're supposed to think that there's good vibrations with whoever that girl is that Airk meets in that great beyond place, but that was about the last two minutes of the show, so it's only left to interpretations at this point.

 

None of the songs belong in this show. I don’t get what they were going for with them but whatevs.