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Lit From Endor to Exegol - The State of the Galaxy Discussion Thread (Tagged Victory's Price Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralNick22 , Sep 6, 2015.

  1. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Draw down to maybe 50-60% with strong PSFs...yes. Gut your military leaving only 10% of your forces....no.
     
  2. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    To be fair, we don't know what the final plan passed by the Senate was. Just that Mon Mothma's original idea was for 90% of the military power of the NR to be devolved to membership. We DO know that, per the TFA visual dictionary, that the NRDF was the largest fleet in the galaxy. Meaning that even in it's smaller state, the NR's federal fleet was larger than any other known fleets.

    They didn't know about the FO's true size, so I give the NR somewhat of a pass. There was no way they could guess at how big the FO's navy was. I'm assuming (until proven otherwise) that the NR did a good job of keeping tabs on the fleet size of other minor powers.

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  3. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Pellaeon was also fine with kidnapping children and giving them to an insane clone who would kill them through abuse, undoubtedly or worse. He also engaged in an attempted mass murder of a school while supporting Daala's terror tactics.

    Part of this is DEPENDING ON THE WRITER (see TV-tropes) and the fact different people see Pellaeon different ways. But at the very least, Pellaeon of the Imperial Era is different from Pellaeon after VOTF. Either that or he had no desire to give the Jedi or Galactic Alliance more power.

    For me, I think Pellaeon underwent character development.
     
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  4. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Indeed. Don't forget that after serving under Thrawn, Pelleaon went on to serve Palpatine again, until the day he died at Onderon.
     
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  5. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Don't blame Mon for that. She was simply trying to restore the Galaxy to it's pre-Clone Wars state. A state in which it enjoyed a millennium of peace. The only problem with the New Republic was that it had zero Jedi Knights actively guarding peace and justice. The Old Republic had ten thousand.

    There's a reason the New Republic survived calamity after calamity in Legends. It had the great Luke Skywalker and his entire New Jedi Order serving and protecting it. The canon New Republic had none.

    Well said. With the Empire seemingly vanquished, Mon's demilitarization strategy was completely sound. A mostly disarmed Galaxy was able to live in peace for centuries before Palpatine came along. You're right that Chancellor Villecham deserves some of the blame for not taking the First Order seriously. A more vigilant New Republic might not have been taken off guard.
     
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  6. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think Pelleaon was a serial follower until given no choice but to take charge after Daala bowed out. If he had had it in him to do what Daala did to the warlords galactic history would have played out a little differently.

    Which is why I say they should not have had such a drastic draw down. Cut military strength for the NR fleet to 50-60% of what it was and you maintain readiness and have the ability to take that experience and spread it out if you need to push your strength up. 10% does not give you that ability.
     
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  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I am wondering why Luke apparently didn't train a single knight in 20+ years.

    He literally could have raised some from infancy and graduated them.
     
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  8. DarthCane

    DarthCane Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It would be interesting to speculate if there was some kind of mobilization plan whereby the Senate could federalize the PSFs and reconstitute the NRDF at full strength. That could potentially remove some of the concerns about the NR being unprepared for war ... if they had the chance to mobilize. With Villecham's administration not taking the FO seriously and the decapitation strike that removed the Chancellor, Senate, and NRDF home fleet in one shot, such a plan would have been in total disarray.
     
  9. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I remind people, also, Starkiller Base is meant to be an Outside Context Problem.

    It's not even just Hosnian Prime but 5 other targets getting blown up at once.

    Under normal circumstances, the Republic had a fighting chance even against the First Order in all of its glory. You just don't assume they have a THIRD DEATH STAR lying around.
     
  10. Jid123Sheeve

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    Well i don’t want to get to much into the TLJ debate since you and I are on opposite of the spectrum on that one. But the TLJ Novelization from what I read stated more or less that Luke wanted to learn as much about the Jedi of old as possible so that before he opens up his academy he’d make sure that they wouldn’t turn into the Jedi from the Prequels.

    Not the best answer i know but that’s the reason they give.
     
  11. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    It's also important to remember after ROTJ there wasn't any pressing need for Jedi. It's understandable Luke would be cautious since the Sith were a result of fallen Jedi.
     
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  12. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This has been my argument about the whole "Luke is the only one left" nonsense...I am not saying there should have been thousands... but there should have been some out and about doing Jedi stuff after the destruction of his academy. Some who graduated, their padawans, and maybe some who survived the attack
     
  13. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Kylo was as thorough as his grandfather. Alternatively, Luke was just that bad at teaching students.

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  14. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Arguably, they could roll it back and there's a few Jedi hanging around.
     
  15. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    Where was this established? "I will never train another generation of Jedi" implied to me that he had trained, y'know, at least one for there to be "another".
     
  16. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think his point was that after the KoR attacked Luke's Academy they were all killed and Luke was saying he would not train anymore after that.
     
  17. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    Right, but that doesn't mean he "didn't train a single knight".
     
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  18. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That has been my argument since TFA...Realistically there should have been more than just Luke. It had been 30 years from RoTJ and they are saying there is no one else besides Luke. As I said above...and before...there do not need to be hundreds of Jedi running around out there but maybe a dozen or few dozen.
     
  19. FS26

    FS26 Jedi Knight star 2

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    It's perfectly reasonable that Luke did start training people after his time spend researching the Force and Jedi history, but before taking in Ben. Didn't Bloodline say that Luke's Jedi were traveling around remote places in the galaxy? The difference between Legends and Canon seems to be that since the war was over, Luke emphasized study and research over involvement in politics. He had learned more about the fall of the old order and decided that the Jedi, at least for now, should stay out of galactic politics and dedicate themselves to regaining the knowledge lost under the Empire
     
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  20. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    There's also a difference between saying there IS no one else besides Luke and there WAS no one else besides Luke. That Luke is the last Jedi by the time of The Last Jedi is one thing. To assume that he "didn't train a single knight" is another. After all, ten thousand Jedi were hunted down until there were only two at the beginning of A New Hope.
     
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  21. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well...per the old EU there were many more...and in Nu-Canon there are still Ahsoka and Ezra after Endor. Maybe others depending on where Nu-Canon goes. The argument can of course be made that Ahsoka and Ezra are not Jedi because they were not part of the Order...but they are still trained as Jedi.
     
  22. Voltron64

    Voltron64 Jedi Master star 1

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    That's always been my headcanon.
     
  23. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Folks, this thread isn't about Luke and the Jedi. Please stay on topic. ;)

    --Adm. Nick
     
  24. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Have we had the money discussion yet and I missed it??

    How is it set up...sources seem to show that there is not really a "unified" currency for all the galaxy. There are different currencies and such so how do they do the rate of exchange? Are the currencies all precious medal based with gold, silver, platinum, aurodiaum, etc... coins of set weights or such? Are there fiat currencies and do they get looked down on by people looking for real value?

    Anakin had rectangular coins in TCW, we see round coins in the ST and Kaz and Co get paid in large rectangular cards.
     
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  25. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Those rectangles are credit chips. I think the coins at Canto Bight are just casino tokens. Solo does have all those various coins and stuff, which makes me think planets have their own currencies that can be transferred to credits. Maybe the credit functions as the galactic currency standard the same way the US dollar has since 1944