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Lit From Exegol to _____? The State of the Galaxy Discussion continued

Discussion in 'Literature' started by ColeFardreamer, Apr 28, 2021.

  1. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I know this topic is way early and ahead of its time but anyway!


    So far lets give a quick overview of how one could kickoff a new post IX era:
    1) Old Canon (Expanded Universe / Legends) style: Follow the heroes of the last saga chronologically onwards
    2) New Canon style: Give us an outro story with new characters and slowly seed the era as leadup to what on-screen stuff may come next, keep the past trilogies heroes present but in the background
    3) High Republic style: Give us major events from a multitude of povs and across all kinds of multimedia with unifying major novels to tie it all together like Light of the Jedi etc. does
    4) Disney style: Leave it blank until there is a post-IX movie or tv show that then can be worked up towards or backwards from publishingwise filling in that ones history

    In general, any setting could work as "leadup to what comes next" or "continuation of what just happened in the past" or "be its own thing unrelated to what came before or comes after". It probably ends up being a mix of these concept anyway.

    I feel the High Republic was originally before a complete tonal and era shift intended for the post IX era, at least in concept and setup, less in story and Jedi focus.

    In that regard what are post IX's immedeate and further down the timeline key events and points that we know need to happen somehow? Despite a lot and details being wide open to go every way imagineable of course.

    Key Events post IX:

    -Galactic Governance / Elections (no matter if unified or territorialized split galaxy), Capital location and form of government etc.
    -Rebuilding and Refugee management (after every war but less so than after previous wars)
    -Reestablishing commerce, services, safety, etc.
    -The Force and its Practicioners: New Orders or old reborn/reimagined? and their relations to the governments?
    -Leftovers from past factions and wars and how to deal with them (Justice, Forgiving, Healing Reparations, Deconstruction, Demilitarisation, securing Sith sites, etc.)
    -Interaction of old structures and new emerging ones: The People vs. the Nobility, legality of new governments and stickers to the old ways
    -Criminal Underworld, changes, going legit, what stays illegal, former war allies becoming enemies and other way around
    -Status Quo and how not to fall into the same old traps to repeat past mistakes
    -new emerging cultures and mindsets vs. older grown ones and how certain groups try to manipulate the fragile young peace and emerging stability in their favor
    -Unknown Regions Exploration, Settling, Commercialising and dealing with its dangers (basically the post IX version of the High Republics current story with exploration, threats and high hopes)


    Where to kick off the new post IX era?

    Well, right after IX or in an already established new order few years down the road as f.e. the Zahn trilogy did in Legends post ROTJ? How direct or vague to adress the new way of life to not get to a flawed system again. Should it sound like Utopia or rather something close with everyone happy or darker realistic truth of peace being just another name for status quo of crime and regional conflicts returning? Will the Core flourish and the Rim be neglected again? Or will Core and Rim find together and old differences no longer matter? Aliens vs. Humanity likewise? Or other grudges and leftover rifts that could be manipulated into new wars?

    After all, not everyones Utopia looks the same and someones Utopia is another's Dystopia!!!

    Lets get to some potential answers:

    The galaxy is free. That does neither mean unified, nor in agreement. Just a common threat had been averted. For the first time in ages, the galaxy is free, meaning free of Sith manipulation behind the scenes. Free of survivors of evil. Some First Order or Final Order folks may survive, but none as big as those that survived the last wars.
    The Battle of Exegol was a Darksider purge and what comes next is the difficult part. It is easy to unite for a mission under a leader but not to do the same for longterm governance. Each faction and there are plenty will position their champion in the coming power grabs, territory grabs or even, depending on their ambitions galactic governance reestablishment attempts.
    This time there is no provisional council, no Rebellion turned New Republic. The Resistance was smaller than a Rebellion on purpose and nearly destroyed at Exegol. The People fleet is too diverse to stay unified longterm without established rules beneficial for everyone. And after the past wars and failures of the New Republic as well as the First Order, people are vary of politics and promises as well as vary of benevolent leaders that too often can turn their fame into populist tyranny. I think, the time for Republics is at an end. Democracy is not, but without a Republic construct as a democratic corset, it will be even more slowgoing and debate lockdown than before. A new corset will emerge, similiar to a Republic even maybe, but not a copy paste of the old failed systems. Rather a longgoing reevaluation of laws, systems instead of quick copy paste decisions. But that requires longterm planning and looking beyond ones own political term or lifespan even for some species. Longer lived ones could shape this more easily. But with time essential given some matters are pressing to be resolved and re-ordered, there will be compromises and reinstating of old systems, even if temporal and under conditions of reevaluation and renewal.

    The Force is free for all to explore and no orders snatch up new cults and practicioners. Even if some accept students and teach, it will take a few decades to reach larger numbers again (as Legends used to). But the vibe I got from the ST is that Rey or Finn are not (yet) keen to teach and rather train themselves and learn more before in older age taking on apprentices, maybe one on one, maybe a group even then. Others, like our Force Collector from his respective novel might be more inclined to teach maybe? Aside that many local cults can practice their Force Shamanism freely again and grow before reconvening or reuniting in a new Force Order one day.

    Galactic Exploration in the Unknown Regions will kickstart immedeately with territory, power, ressource grabs by corporations, individuals and even other groups be they spiritual seeking followers or a promised land or others trying to make their own way out in the dark unknown. This both in part overshadows the post war troubles and cleanups as weel as distracts the population and companies from the immedeate problems.
    This era will feel like a mix of the goldrush and the great expansion and exodus to the west when Europe etc. emigragted aplenty to North and South America facing new dangers as well as benevolent and malvolent indigenious cultures (though the latter more in SW than real life). Herein lies the danger of releasing UR threats into the galaxy be it new sicknesses and a galactic pandemic or other threats, animals threatening ecosystems by multiplying free of natural enemies, etc. Even corporations, cults and others grabbing territory and seeking freedom from law in the Unknown is a logical yet dangerous move for they could be future enemies or at least roadblocks to unifying a galaxy.

    Therefore I think, the political slowburning Great Reset may require an interim system akin to a Galactic Alliance, where a splintered galaxy works together with the goal of complete reunification if and where possible yet until then cooperation and reevaluation but under temporary rules and laws to counter criminal and corporate ambitions faced in the light of the new explorer age into the Unknown. The galaxy needs to be as cooperative as the Republic was in the High Republic and work as seemless as the Galactic Alliance in the Legacy Era Legends comics when a triumvirate ruled a reinstated Galactic Alliance after ending the Sith threat (even if not permanently).

    Even with Forceusers playing a minor role for a time, the story will catch up with the heroes when some lonesome student seeks them out whereever they may be hiding in exile or opened their academy. If that is a Dawn of the Jedi era style unified Force academy or another type remains to be seen.



    What pre-Exegol factions may survive post Exegol? Which may be inclined to unite and which to stay individual? Which new could emerge?
     
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  2. VexedAtVohai

    VexedAtVohai Jedi Master star 4

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    I would like to see post-Exegol:
    • Address droid rights
    • Address the indoctrination/use of children by various factions
    • Have at least two stable major powers, neither one portrayed as morally superior to the other
    • Explore the role of the Jedi in a galaxy without the Republic - perhaps there could eventually be other light-side orders?
     
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  3. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Surprised there's no "From Naboo to Geonosis" thread yet.
     
  4. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Give it time. I'm waiting for High Republic to Naboo as well.
     
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  5. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    We could do this with every subject. "From Obroa-Skai to Bilbringi... the Thrawn Trilogy thread!"
     
  6. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    In terms of what we actually know from the material, The Star Wars Book is really one of the only sources so far to give us much of a hint, since it seems to be "set" in the post-Exegol world. The First and Final Orders are both "defeated", with uprisings across the galaxy against the First Order. Rey is said to be a "Jedi Master helping to restore peace". Jannah has accepted Lando's offer "to travel the galaxy in search of her family". Palpatine is gone, destroyed "body and soul".
     
  7. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That'll be the first thing to be ignored if some hotshot director comes in and wants to tell a different story.
     
  8. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh, for sure. And I think that's why the books and comics haven't jumped on the post-TROS era yet. It's not 1991 with no potential for sequel films. There undoubtedly will be post-TROS films/TV at some point (maybe 2023, even) so I think the blank in "Exegol to ___" is going to remain blank until then.
     
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  9. Cynda

    Cynda Jedi Master star 3

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    I think it would be a new and interesting story in Star Wars for the majority of the galaxy, after decades of weak, unstable, or tyrannical central government, to just through up their limbs and say we want to try living without any galaxy-wide level of government, and follow what happens after.
     
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  10. Jid123Sheeve

    Jid123Sheeve Force Ghost star 6

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    Closet thing we've had to a MAJOR post TROS anything is the Lego Holiday Special that specifically says Finn is Rey's first apprentice.
     
  11. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah, I'd assume that'll be carried over into whatever canon storytelling explores the era. Ideally alongside Boyega's preferred comeback with a Disney+ series that includes the stormtrooper rebellion storyline.
     
  12. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think this era could use some of GL ideas of post ROTJ with rebuilding the galaxy after the war and the criminal underworld as the main threath with darksider controlling the events. Rey and Finn as the future jedi, with future younglings, like the resistance kids, Grogu and others. I think the goverment will be rebulit with people like Poe, and other book characters. I think the force cutls will expand with the myth of the sith lives on. Also i think the main villains for the this new era will be everything from pirates, mercs, criminal underworld and the political stage as it's hard to rebuild. There might be small factions of first and final orders, maybe some sith cultist, by they can't be considered a threaht. Corucant is the home of crime now and needs to be cleansed.
     
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  13. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My preferred Stormtrooper Rebellion idea was always to work it in concurrent and in part before TROS the way DOTF had it, but if you want it post IX in a prolonged version of the victory montage with the FO ships going down galaxywide that works too. Did it take a year or more to make that montage happen galaxywide and not instantly as the movie makes it seem?

    If placing the Coruscant part of the story of DOTF after IX, as cleanup operation, it works too. Rose and Finn on Coruscant kickstarting a Stormtrooper uprising and using the ancient Lightbeam network to inform and unite the galaxy into something far larger than the People Fleet at Exegol even was. That now would not bring this fleet together but rather instigate galaxywide knowledge and uprising against the remaining FO pockets as the People fleet heads out to help everywhere like on Coruscant in the end briefly.

    You basically described the High Republic storylines transported into the post IX era... which is the most likely approach I think as noted above already. Thing is, how long will there be a relative or good peace till the next movies? 100 years like till Legacy comics? 500 like till Lucasarts and Lucas joint Council ideas? 1000 like the german minibooks with the past a myth? Or rather way less and for the next trilogy to have Old aged Rey, Poe and Finn we see their lifetime already turn to a new war?
     
  14. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think the next big conflict with big galaxy war is probaly not for another 200-500 years, when Grogu is grand master of the new formed jedi order, who has the force ghost of Yoda, Luke and Rey as his guides, his former masters. I think small conflicts like TPM we can have, in books, comics, tv show, games and standalone movies. I think the high republic approach is what they are gonna do but with movies, games and tv shows, books and comics come in later as to not overide certian canon stuff some don't want to do. I think in this era is an era of rise of crime and profits as Hondo would say, as of no there's no law in the galaxy and it needs to be formed soon as to not be full chaos in the galaxy.
     
  15. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I wonder if and when Grogu will meet Rey and if he might take a detour via Ezra Bridger or Ahsoka when parting with Luke. I mean we have several lineages that bridge the Jedi of old to the new era. Luke's culminates in Rey and Finn. Grogu if around is another line of his. Force Collector guy got his own approach as male Tionne/Quinlan cross so to speak. That leaves Ezra Bridgers unresolved fate to bridge to the new era too somehow. I like that Grogu may outshine Rey who can and will want to fade into obscurity down the line maybe. She may be a Nomi Sunrider type initially to kickstart the orders cohesive new approach but then hand it off to return to the simpler ways as she prefers on her own or with only one student. Given Ben did not survive in Exile Ulic Quel Droma style, I now imagine Rey to go solitary at some point so an apprentice may seek her out as Vima Sunrider did with Ulic one day.

    PS: If Lando refuses to be the next president post IX, and while Rose still gathers experience before being electable in a few years, I could see Maz or Hondo try their luck as Chancellors. I mean, Hondo going legit would rock.. Hondo going legit with a sidebusiness of course even more so. He got a talent for running things, even if some went south. And Maz may not like to be the big focus of leadership but her or her longlivety may serve that position well. I mean we do not need another corporate, populist or centrist leader. Some practical folks are just fine and if they can adress the problems at hand (exploration, opportunity, crime, etc.) and got experience with that... that may actually save the galaxy and be interesting.

    Heck Hondo or Maz could kickstart a new Golden Age like Blotus the Hutts reign did!!! Some people just need to fit into the right positions to shine instead of going rogue. Or as Leia once said in Legends, Han wouldn't have been such a bad politician himself given his experience and unique way of dealing with things, if only he'd have liked it.
     
  16. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Knight star 3

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    Crazy to think how the Holiday Special, of all things, may be the key to uncovering how the post-Episode IX era will develop.
     
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  17. Jid123Sheeve

    Jid123Sheeve Force Ghost star 6

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    I mean it's not that out of the blue. Rey is a Jedi Master now training Finn her first Jedi Apprentice.

    Not like it says if we are getting the New New Republic or anything.
     
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  18. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Knight star 3

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    But hey, that's something to start off, and it's a big character development point for both Finn and Rey, it opens a lot of possibilities too, how is their relationship developing in this new makeshift Master/Student role? How is Rey adapting to being considered a Master so suddenly? What does Finn think about Rey, and what does he intend to do with his Force powers? How is he doing in the training? Is he good, is he struggling? Does he have some inner rage or contempt that holds him back or maybe close to the Dark Side? Are they also trying to look up for more about the Jedi as an organization to rebuild it or are they just training between the two of them for now?

    So many possibilities for storytelling opened with that one piece of information.
     
  19. Shadowrain10

    Shadowrain10 Jedi Knight star 2

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    I love to see any story about Rey and Finn traveling the galaxy looking for Jedi artifacts/force sensitives while at the same time Rey is teaching Finn, and maybe Finn could be teaching her as they slowly gather more and more force sensitives.
     
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  20. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Knight star 3

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    You mean like in a reciprocated Master/Student relationship akin to what Kyle Katarn and Mara had in Mysteries of the Sith, with one learning from the other and vice verse? I like that idea a lot, it would be cool to see it explored with main movie characters in a newer context, and also to bring new light to the interactions between these characters after the trilogy, something that i feel is very important when developing EU stories continuing the movie heroes' lives, they don't have to be stuck in the phase they were in the last movie, they need to evolve their dynamics past that point, like Han, Luke and Leia did in post-ROTJ Legends (and Canon, too, from what we've seen of it in Bloodlines and Rise of Kylo Ren).
     
  21. AusStig

    AusStig Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I hope this era has no Jedi. Instead it is the teachings of the Sith that are common. The Jedi are forgotten while the cult of the Sith have become common in the galaxy.

    I would also like a divided galaxy, lots of chaos and war with only crime lords able to move stuff.

    Lets enter an era that seems with out light or hope.
     
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  22. JediBatman

    JediBatman Jedi Master star 4

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    Ah yes, a franchise where the first movie was called "A New Hope" in the action adventure genre is known for hoplessness and being bleak and depressing. Let Star Wars be Star Wars and let Warhammer 40k be Warhammer 40k.
     
  23. Jid123Sheeve

    Jid123Sheeve Force Ghost star 6

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    So basically Legends continuity ;)
     
  24. AusStig

    AusStig Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No Legends had heroes. Canon has none. Canon has Palpatine behind everything in a 30 year peace. Legends, preDenningverse had a hopeful tone to it.

    Star Wars IS about failure though, TFA and TLJ are all about how the OT heroes were total failures, everything they built failed.

    Now the galaxy should reflect that a bleak and hopeless place, until new heroes rise to try to save it.


    Then they fail and galaxy is destroyed, they can call it 'the end times'.
     
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  25. Jid123Sheeve

    Jid123Sheeve Force Ghost star 6

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    I mean...okay...I completely disagree with your reading about well.....all of it and don't think you are correct at all but....ok.