George Lucas and the Bush Administration

What does George Lucas think of the Bush Administration?

I'm curious because there was a line in ROTS that sounded like something Bush has said:

Anakin: If you're not with me, you're my enemy.

Obi-Wan responds:

Obi-Wan: Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

How can this be interpreted?

 

has this been approved by Stirlo? if not then i sense a locking of this thread.

 

Why would he have to approve it?

 

because it may turn ugly....politic threads lead to too many heated arguments

But to answer your topic, Lucas is a big-time hollywood liberal. He hated the Reagan administration. He used two Republican names in one of the evil characters, Nute Gunray...(Nute Gingrich and Reagan backwards)

And that line in ROTS was weak in itself, so it was clearly a cheap shot at the Bush Administration.

 

But to answer your topic, Lucas is a big-time hollywood liberal. He hated the Reagan administration. He used two Republican names in one of the evil characters, Nute Gunray...(Nute Gingrich and Reagan backwards)

Can I have proof? A site or something?

Especially for the "Nute Gunray" statement.

 

Especially for the "Nute Gunray" statement.

Dude, its pretty obvious......its just like saying Borge W Gush

 

The prequals are about a war that didn't have to happen. It's about the wicked and powerfull manipulating and killing for there gain and pretending they are working for the public intrest. under the banner of freedom, and democracy.
Any comparison to the bush administraition would be.........................I just realized I can't finish that sentence with out insulting someone.

 

funny how this topic hasnt been locked yet.......

Anyways, i dont have proof philosopher, but i can guarentee you that Lucas is big-time liberal....he along with 99.99% of hollywood

 

I'm sure Lucas dislikes many of Bush's policies. As for what he thinks of him as a person, I doubt Lucas has an opinion either way.

Of course, the really interesting thing about George Walton Lucas is that whilst he is definatly a Liberal, his Father was always a Republican.

 

Thats funny because Vader means Father, and Vader was tricked into serving a corrupt politicion while his son Luke had a more liberal veiw.

 

So Republicans are evil and the Democrats are heroes! Typical hollywood

 

I think what Lucas is trying to show is how Empires take control of once-democratic societies. They all pretty much follow the same pattern: gain the respect of the people, get them to give you power and then take it all. Hitlar followed this example, as did Napoleon. Theoretically, you could show this pattern for George W. Bush as well. I'm not trying to start a political debate, but the people gave him power and a crisis came along. What do we have next? The "Patriot" Act, which essentially gives the government the right to spy on anyone they please for no good reason, or for any reason for that matter.

As to the quote "You're either with me or against me." I can see how that philosophy might be applicable to the Iraq situation. When American first went into the war, Germany and France were critized for not joining. They did not agree with the ideals behind attacking Iraq, and denounced it and did not join. What did the US do? We tried to remove the words "France" or "French" from our vocabulary. Remember "Freedom Fries" anyone? Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is that while people may interpret quotes like that to Bush or anyone else in the current American Administration, it may be possible that George actually didn't mean them like that.

See, it's posts like that, which generalize people and opinions that get topics locked so fast. If people were more open to discussion, I'm sure people wouldn't hop on every topic that is midly debatable and claim it's going to get locked.

~Obischick~

 

See, it's posts like that, which generalize people and opinions that get topics locked so fast. If people were more open to discussion, I'm sure people wouldn't hop on every topic that is midly debatable and claim it's going to get locked.

You're absolutely right about that, however i do feel that topics like this can never be open....because Politics is mostly about getting everyone to see things your way, but most of the time, the political (or religous) ideals are far too diverse, that everyone cant just have a friendly conversation about it.

 

Freedom Fries! haha.

There have been several other threads similar to this, but they quickly got ugly and locked I believe.

On topic, I see where similarities could be drawn, but at the same time, if you disect any film/book you can find hidden meanings that weren't intentional.

 

Well, I'm glad we can agree! But I also feel that your logic is circular. From what I understand about what you just said, you won't be open on topics like this because you believe they can't be. (Correct me if I'm wrong ) I feel that it is that kind of logic that keeps people from enjoying an open discussion with friends. It's really sad that today in our culture we can't talk about our diverse beliefs with people because everyone has such closed minds. We need to open those suckers up, let 'em get a little more fluid in there.

An excellent point! Which is why many of my friends think I have too much time on my hands for all the time I spend talking about Star Wars.

~Obischick~

 

If in 2008 Bush refuses to get out of office then liberals can have their comparisons to the Bush administration

With that being said, art . . . if you consider SW art which I do consider it to be film rather than movie (my own personal opinion) . . . where was I? Oh yes, art reflects life and in the US our life currently involves a war that many do not support including Mr. Lucas. He may well have been making statements regarding the Bush Administration but did it start out that way with TPM? September 11th had not occured and (searches memory) GWB was not in office.

goes on a tangent

If you look at the painting at first it is pretty ugly. But then you read the background of the painting and that is was a tribute to a shipwreck that was covered up by the government.

So SW is art and art reflects the opinions of the creator.

 

So SW is art and art reflects the opinions of the creator.

Absolutely true, but at the same time, interpretation of said art depends on the viewer's own opinions as well.

 

I feel that it is that kind of logic that keeps people from enjoying an open discussion with friends. It's really sad that today in our culture we can't talk about our diverse beliefs with people because everyone has such closed minds. We need to open those suckers up, let 'em get a little more fluid in there.

Its sad, but unfortunaetly, it's reality.... believe me, i have gotten into so many political discussions, and when i do, i only hope that its a fair and respectful debate, but i can honestly say that 9 out of 10 times the discussion doesnt stay that way. Im the type of person who likes to hear differing views (like a moderate republican listening to liberal-bias radio stations), not for the sake of argument but for perspective. I look forward to discussions, rather than arguments....but let's be realistic, it's just not possible. It gets to the point where it starts being offensive and it infuriates those who participate.

 

Not only is there an interesting issue in the fact that George Lucas is a demorcrat, whist his father is a republican, but you also have the issue that George Lucas's father never wanted him to be a film director. He wanted him to stay in Modesto and together they could have run his father's stationary store as father and son....

Sound familier?

 

Lucas is a Liberal? Well...I hate to say it, but that sucks.

I'm a Republican, and I was hoping Lucas was too...he just lost 20% respect from me, that 20% was his politcal view which I was saving until I learned what he was.

This post isn't an insult to anybody, it's just I don't like this at all, I'm never going to tell anyone I know about this.

 

I'm more of a Republican than a Democrat.

Just how liberal is Lucas?

 

Very liberal.

 

Oh, I very much agree. But I also think it's that sort of mindset that people us as an excuse to argue and rant and rave. I'm reminded of the oft-quoted, "What would you do if you knew you could not fail?" What would get done if everyone would break free of that mindset and focus not on pushing their agenda on someone else, but actually listen and try to understand their fellow debator? A lot more would get done in the goverenment, I think.

lol, G-Fett. Hmmmm, wonder where he got that theme from?

I don't mind anyone being who they are, but I do feel sorry for you that you lose respect for people who don't agree with your ideals.

EDIT: Sorry about this, but I was wondering, where exactly, does it say that Lucas is a liberal? I mean, I'm one myself, so part of me is glad he is, but I was just wondering if we have any hard proof to back up the statements here.

~Obischick~

 

I agree.

I want some proof here.

 

Does this belong in this forum? I also thought politic threads get locked.