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JCC greatest serial killer of all time

Discussion in 'Community' started by Rogue_Ten, Aug 31, 2016.

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GSKOAT?

  1. Berkowitz

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  2. Bundy

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  3. Chikatilo

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  4. Dahmer

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  5. Fish

    2.5%
  6. Gacy

    2.5%
  7. Holmes

    12.5%
  8. Ramirez

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  9. Wuornos

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  10. Other

    55.0%
  1. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    who's the greatest of all time? im gonna hold off on my answer for a bit, but i rather think those unfortunate enough to pay close attention to my posting might be able to guess

    i realize there are a lot of missing names so i tried to pick ones that had the most reliably high kill counts and/or the most impact on the national/international psyche. obviously i would have liked to include more names, but you can click the other tab and comment with anyone you think should have been included

    i have intentionally left out Gein, despite his impact on culture, because he was more of a grave robber and murderer than a true "serial killer", imho. i also left out notable unidentified killers like zodiac and jack the ripper because who knows if they were really one person or not? if you want to make a case for them, well, that's what the "other" tab is for

    no fictional serial killers please. "team" killers are allowed i guess but i think lone wolves are more to the point

    and to get it out of the way, yeah, the greatest of all time is probably someone who never got caught and managed to fly under the radar, amassing mountains of victims without the general public or authorities ever being aware of any pattern... but that's a cop out so...
     
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  2. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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  3. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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  4. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    Picked "other." Answer: Religions.
     
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  5. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    delete your account
     
  6. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Eh?
     
  7. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    It's hard to narrow it down. Torquemada? I guess that's as good an individual as any for it!

    Edit: though I did more fully read the post under the voting tab now, so I understand the parameters of the intent, now.
     
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  8. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    eh, im being lazy, but i was trying to prod you into elaborating. make a case if you get a chance. wiki tells us who he was, but you havent made a case for him being the GOAT
     
  9. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Where's Elizabeth Bathory?

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I just thought of him because he's a pre-modern serial killer, a companion of Joan of Arc, and his M.O. is quite disturbing. I don't know about GOAT, though.
     
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  11. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    Ender Sai i thought about it but decided i consider her semi-fictional. also she had a huge team of accomplices and complicit people. if we include bathory in serious contention we might as well consider seventhbeacon's answer. or the inevitable person who posts "hitler"
     
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  12. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    MAIK, she had a proto-black metal band named after her, and the singer's name was Quothorn. When your thematic and periodic executions reach this level of brvtal then you can speak like that.
     
  13. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Bundy. No way Holmes puts up those numbers in the modern era.

    I'd say maybe Corll could be in the conversation, but he relied to much on his gang, and, well, you see where that got him.
     
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  14. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    i don't know a lot about serial killers, but from observing the media coverage of the cases throughout my own lifetime i feel like bundy had the greatest cultural impact, even though gacy was maybe scarier and dahmer was more extreme. i think bundy was the most truly frightening, because he was handsome and charismatic and at first glance decidedly not a weirdo. mark harmon played him in that tv movie, and it was kind of like well if we can't even trust mark harmon anymore then no one is hitchhiking ever again. i think also that sort of every man quality is what makes him kind of fascinating. someone who is just an evil, sadistic monster isn't much of a puzzle. but that there could be this person who seemed so normal on the surface, but was really masking this deep well of darkness, it makes for the kind of complicated villain people can't help but find interesting.
     
  15. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    okay now im gonna jump the gun and concur on bundy. his exploits are larger than life. escaping jail twice? going ham on a sorority house full of women with a log?! manipulating the law into allowing him to marrying a woman during his trial while in court and then fathering a child on that woman while on death row, despite conjugals not being allowed? and his cultural impact was prodigious, doing more to put serial killing in the public mind than anyone since jack the ripper

    bundy is the MBP: Most Bundiest Playa'
     
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  16. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Also, to continue with what tom was saying: he was also the best at hiding it. Even up until his death his mask never broke (I think maybe there was a moment during the trial, but). Getting interviewed by James Dobson, talking about how the pornos made him do it. Just an everyday, normal guy misguided by the pornography! And the good "Doctor" is right there nodding along with him.
     
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  17. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i think after the guilty verdict his reaction was to bellow "TELL THE JURY THEY'RE WRONG!" i think that was the moment the mask slipped that you're thinking of

    which, again, that's a pretty GSKOAT moment in and of itself
     
  18. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    I went for the Other option: Yorkshire Ripper. Because that name.
     
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  19. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    this is an interesting point for discussion, i think. i dont think anyone can put up the numbers of a bundy or a holmes in the current age of social media. smart phones and social media mean that people are too connected to one another's whereabouts. we've had some GOAT contenders for spree killers in the last decade but really nobody on the serial killing side. i don't think its because conditions aren't right to create the psyche of a great serial killer, but rather because nowadays they get caught before they get too far into their careers. we may never see the likes of a bundy or a holmes or a gacy again

    it just sounds like he really likes pudding
     
  20. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I didn't go with Gacy because for one he had no style, and for two he benefited from performance enhancing head injury.
     
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  21. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    bundy had a head injury too.

    as im sure you're aware, but which bears repeating for those reading along: the majority of serial killers/spree killers/etc had head injuries in their formative years

    EDIT: WHOOPS i remembered wrong. apparently bundy is the exception to the brain injury thing. he never claimed any head trauma in his medical histories and extensive brain scans revealed no abnormalities or damage. M. B. P.
     
  22. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Whichever one that Rogue Number Ten always fantasizes about the love child he supposedly had.
     
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  23. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Oh, he liked his pudding alright!
     
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  24. Lord Vivec

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  25. a star war

    a star war Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I was about to say that I don't remember reading that he had, but of course was ready to take your word for it, since it is so prevalent.


    Also, I think that while the big leagues might be over here in the U.S., there's certainly room for future GOATs in other parts of the globe. For example Yongming in China. But even then his numbers are pretty low, as far as convictions go, but the unofficial number is still mid-twenties. Still, very depraved (e.g. selling children jerky to people as ostrich meat). Plus he had already been convicted in the 70s for murder, so who knows how many others he did before that (although I guess that would not technically count as modern at that point).
     
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