Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 14, 2012.
have at it
can never work. ban them if you want but they will only only find other stuff to kill each other with.
If I had the money to buy one I'd probably spend it on something more practical like some nice tableware from Dansk or a sturdy desk.
We need to close the loopholes in current gun laws, keep lawmakers from passing assinine laws like allowing conceled weapons in national parks and bars (guns in bars, yeah, that will end well), reinstate the assult weapons ban, revive the Brady law, and combine that with a much needed conprehensive talk about mental health reform.
On a serious note, I doubt that. Guns have made killing too easy and impersonal. People would think twice if they knew the only way to kill someone would be to drive a knife in their chest from 2 feet away. And if they didn't well they're probably a sociopath.
And yet it happens. Least with guns you kill from a somewhat distance mostly. Knives is a bit trickier to handle for that reason. All have pros or cons, but basically there will be no end to any of this
That's the spirit!
Cancer kills people. Always has, always will. Let's just stop trying to cure it.
did you seriously just say there are pros and cons to different methods of murder?
Cancer can be cured. Cancer of wanting to kill people can not be. You can extinguish the flame, but never the sources that can start the ignition of it.
No matter what protocols, rules, regulations, anything. They will be people that go around it, and will have ways to do so. People will kill and murder no matter what. Some men just want to watch the world burn...and take as many down in the flames with them as they go. History of mankind unfortunately. You may take away guns, swords, knives, hammers, but if there is someone wanting to kill, they will find a way, in one manner or another.
edit: pros and cons on how to handle people attacking you with weapons is what I meant.
Ghost, will you please stop trying to shape the JCC into your own little utopian version of it?:
I agree with all of this.
Certainly, Arlon, people will always want to do bad things. But not all of them are equally motivated or capable of doing so. Couldn't we maybe reduce the frequency bad things happen by making them harder to do? Like even though people will always want to steal, and robbery will always exist, it is harder to steal when there are locks than when something is just sitting out in the open air unattended? Likewise, wouldn't you agree it's maybe easier to kill people with a gun than with a knife?
Yeah, saying that people will always find a way to kill other people and there's nothing we can do about it is just lazy.
This issue is bigger than a single tragedy. It's come up before, and will, very unfortuntely, come up again. So here's a thread for it.
Bad things will happen. People will kill people. But if this guy didn't have access to a gun and only had a knife or other non-automatic/ranged tool at his disposal- there would, at the very least, be significantly fewer children dead tonight.
You can run away from (or dodge) a knife. You can't outrun (or dodge) a bullet. You can fatally stab a person in a very short period of time. You cannot fatally stab 20 unbound people in a short period of time.
Honestly I say ban all firearms. Will it actually stop mass shootings from happening or do anything to prevent them? Heck no, that's utterly absurd. They'll keep happening as they always will. But at least then we can stop having this debate every time it happens.
Crazy evil people will always find a way to kill lots of people. If they can't find a gun they'll find a knife, or a crossbow, or a bow and arrow, or a bomb, or a flamethrower, or anything. Guns are simply the easiest and quickest option, get rid of those something else will replace it.
Mass shootings don't happen because of guns, they happen because of humans. If you want to stop mass shootings then lobotomize every human on Earth, other than that they'll keep happening no matter what we do.
That said gun control has a place. My personal ideas on gun control are thus. There is no need for civilians to own weapons of war. Hunting weapons and handguns are the only types of firearms any civilian should own. One is a tool for sport and survival, the other a tool for defense. A weapon of war has only one purpose and there is currently no invading army of which the American citizen need defend themselves from.
Also a full psychological evaluation should be required every year to keep and maintain a gun license. If you fail it once you are forbidden for life from ever owning a gun. Any felony or misdemeanor also prohibits you from ever owning a gun. Owning a gun without a license should result in an automatic 50 year prison sentence with no possibility for parole.
No one can purchase a gun of any kind until a month has passed and a background check is done on the buyer.
Most all murders are sociopaths, crazy nut jobs, etc, etc. If they did not use a gun then they would just bomb places. Oklahoma City Bombing where was the gun that was used. 168 people were killed and no gun was used at all.
Jovan Belcher was going to kill his girlfriend and himself gun or no gun. Because domestic violence does not happen because of a gun. Chris Benoit killed himself after killing his wife and son. It's a case of domestic violence. Sme high profile cases of husbands killer there wives no gun was used.
The Dennis Rader did not use a gun to kill people. The problem here is that we are blaming guns for murders when the person doing the killings is going to kill someone gun or no gun. Because thats what they want to do. They are messed up in the head. There are sick sick people in this world who rape and kill men, women, and kids the guns never made them due it. Dennis Rader did not kill people because of a gun. He did it because he had a sick fetish. Until we admit to this we will keep on having these things happen.
You can turn a blind eye and say if we get read of guns there would be no mass murders. Well Jim Jones would like to have a word with all of you about that one.
I mean really poisoning 909 that just childs play.
There's another way to stop all school shootings: ban schools.
Why not? It'll work, won't it?
Then he would have just bombed the school. He was out to kll as many people as he could. Take the gun out of it for a minute. He was a nut job who wanted to kill a lot of people would was going to to gun or no gun.
Just remember two of the biggest massacres until today that happened in the USA never had a gun used in it. And i'm not going to count 9/11 here. Massacres will happen gun or no gun so how do you stop the people that do this. That's what we should be talking about.
Bottom line, 20 children who's only 'crime' was attending their kindergarten teacher's classroom might not have died today if there there was a combination of tougher enforcement of existing gun laws and if our mental health policies weren't in the sorry shape that they were in.
My 16 year old self would have entertained that.
my six year old self would have found his post clever
I agree with you on the mental health policies. But this guy would have just bombed the school then. Bath School disaster and Oklahoma City Bombing. No guns were used. 45 people dead in the Bath School disaster after the school was firebombed. And we all know how the 168 people dead in Oklahoma City.
These massacres will keep happening no matter if you have guns or not. Murder suicides happen guns or no guns. Joven Belcher did not kill himself and his girlfriend just because he had a gun. In fact he would have still done that. Chris Benoit killed himself his wife and his son with out a gun. Domestic violence happens all the time gun or no gun. You have people who go out and rape women, and men, and children all the time and no gun is ever used. These things have been happening a lot longer then guns have been around you can ban all guns and they will still keep happening because we have sick crazy nut jobs in this world. We will always have sick crazy nut jobs no matter what kind of gun laws you have.
Until the heart of that matter dealt with you will always have these massacres and the root cause is not the gun.