Senate Gun Control

I went to a gun show a couple of months ago with my twin boys and my father in law who is a collector and sport target shooter. We love our guns in Australia, we just don’t have an obsession with automatic or semi-automatic firearms. We don’t need them. Neither does anyone in the US who is not wearing olive drab and dog tags.

 

Well, this part
"Receiving a driver’s license involves strict guidelines in Germany. This ensures that only the most disciplined people can drive on the roads. According to Business Insider, getting your driving license in Germany can take up to six months to complete and cost more than $2000.

In order to get a license, residents must meet requirements including basic first-aid training and extensive driving lessons (including real-life situations on the Autobahn). Applicants must also take a difficult multiple-choice exam and as well as a road test. In the end, better drivers equate to lesser accidents."

made me laugh. Unless you are not a complete idiot, anyone will pass that exam and get the license at the end.

 

Yes there is data that speed has an effect on the severity of accidents. Just like there is data on the medical costs of gun violence.

 

No, but the law enabling gun carriers is the problem. Take the right to carry guns in public back, you take away most possibilities for non-law-abiding gun owners to get where they start shooting.

 

Tell me you didn't watch the clip without saying "I didn't watch the clip", Mike.

 

But there is no data that the Autobahn is less safe than highways like ours which do have speed limits. If anything, the AB is safer.

I watched it. I also commented on it and the situation with my opinion on it.

What else do you require of me here?

Maybe. What about those who work in high crime areas? C-shift workers who have long walks to their cars at night? Would there be exceptions? But Yeah, no reason to have your AR-15 with you while on your way to your golf tournament or whatever.

A Constitutional convention would be interesting. Lets do that balanced budget thing while we're at it. Watch the big spenders squirm. . But, I doubt it would ever happen. The 2A isnt likely going anywhere.

I think Ive said many times that I am also behind proper enforcement & expansion of gun control measures.

 

Country miserly on infrastructure upkeep and with notoriously undisciplined drivers has a safety problem on highways. News at 10.

 

Matt Gaetz calls for violence against Silicon Valley.

 

I lived in a high crime area for ten years (Bellefontaine in Toulouse) and walked home for half a mile every evening, past two known traffficking points where street lamps were always broken. Had to run for it four times, endured racist harassment another couple of times. Even got my bedroom wall peppered by SMG fire one night.

Still never felt the need to carry one of my guns outside. Nor a katana or a glaive or daggers. What the F exactly would that have solved?

(EDITed multiple times because I'm angry enough about such BS that it comes in bursts typed on phone)

 

Yes, I have read studies that indicate that. At the same time, they could be even safer than they are now if there was a speed limit. But due to the influence of companies like Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche I don't see it coming. Our minister of transport (who is a total failure) says that a speed limit would be against "common sense" (ok, enough off topic from me).

 

But it's much harder to get a driver's license and keep a driver's license in Germany - it takes up to six months to get the license, plus about the equivalent of $2000. The Autobahn undergoes constant maintenance, unlike our crumbling infrastructure. And they strictly enforce driving laws - heavily fining you even for something like tailgating or using the carpool lane.

Ever, in any situation. Unless you're looking to kill a bunch of people, of course.

I think everyone here has said multiple times that you don't get an award for supporting and voting into office politicians that are against policies that you are supposedly for.

 

So... you're not a law-abiding gun owner. In your own hypothetical, it would be a legally passed amendment, and so you (colletively) resisting that would mean you are not law-abiding.

 

More than just a lazy dismissal via attacking the messenger. You didn't address the points it raised, which is why we all believe you didn't watch it.

 

Hm, well, fines for speeding or other traffic violations are (in my eyes) really low here in Germany, compared to other counties, especially Switzerland.

 

In the US, minor traffic violations are only 'enforced' when a cop wants to stop you for other reasons, and often they'll just let you go without even a fine.
When I had to drive home in the early morning hours from a campus job, I was stopped almost every night for a burnt-out taillight before I could get it replaced. Each time, the cop pulled up behind me on a lonely road, followed me for a bit while my tag was run and then flipped the lights. They were always very casual about the taillight being out, but were very interested in searching my car each time. I never got a ticket for the light.
Other nights, cops would sometimes trail me but as they didn't have cause to stop me, eventually would peel off when I reached the edge of their patrol area.
Going to and from work in the daytime, however, driving down a US Interstate, there is some of the craziest, most dangerous traffic imaginable - but little enforcement. (Also, the major highways are always in bad shape and perpetually under construction, thanks to people like Mike that whine about having some of the lowest tax rates in the Western world).

 

Actually I did address the points. I said I agreed with gun control laws being strengthened and enforced properly. Background checks, waiting periods, etc. Said that too. I do not agree with semi-auto bans though as Australia did since that covers too broad of a spectrum of firearms.

As for the video - it went too far with the silliness. They dug up the most extreme gun-nut guy they could find and set him up for failure. Then, they proceeded to add their "cute" audience laughter(is this a 1980's sitcom? LOL). John Oliver is entirely annoying on top of that. Felt like a backyard quality video versus a real TV show. Sorry. Id love to see a video done by professionals that brought reasonable people from each side to the table to discuss this. I wont hold my breath though since all we get is 100% pro-gun propaganda or 100% anti-gun propaganda. No good.

Are the lower fines for speeding due to higher limits though? Maybe. I personally fear the distracted drivers WAY more than someone going 75mph in a 65mph zone. People on their phones, doing their makeup or of course drunk are a huge problem, IMO. I think speed limits(not too low) make total sense in most areas. But, the Autobahn concept remains interesting to me and I think its a great idea.

What are Germany's other speed limits like on non-autobahn roads and such?

 

Why would those actions be a problem? Your car has airbags so you should be safe. And if those people crash, they're just doing their duty and can donate their organs if they die. Plus, the act of not talking on your phone doesn't have official FDA approval (and don't bring up 'studies' and 'evidence', all that matters is that FDA approval).

 

From what I've seen (and of course German residents, please correct me if I'm wrong):
a) There is still a 'speed limit': travel at speeds that would extend the vehicle's minimum halting distance beyond the driver's line of sight.
b) Speed limits on the Autobahn still apply to trucks, buses, cars towing trailers, and small motorized vehicles.

Mike in a discussion about the rise of neo-Nazism in the US:
"All we get is 100% pro-Nazi propaganda or 100% anti-Nazi propaganda. No good".

 

Well, it does make sense that removing ways to inflict harm on oneself would have a positive affect on suicide rates. I also know that the 60% statistic is valid for suicides involving a gun. My thoughts are that Id love to find out why people get so depressed & down that they'd want to take their own life. Thats a sad situation. If we could fix depression and despair then suicides of any type would plummet. Thats a permanent, real item to go after. I'd also say that responsible gun owners lock their weapons up so no one can gain access. That would help too but its hard to enforce. The few(four total) guns I own are in a proper safe and no one but me is getting at them short of having dynamite.

I dont think you'd get much mileage though out of looking to ban guns for that reason though. Even if you banned semi-autos like Australia did - single shot weapons are capable of the exact same thing since someone taking their own life is only getting off one shot anyways. That sounds morbid, and it is, but its true.

If that guy is what the gun lobby is using as their "guy" then they've failed miserably. Hes a crazy gun nut. Once someone is against background checks and any kind of waiting period then they fall out favor with me. So, that guy doesnt work for me. He does NOT represent me and I think I can safely say millions of other reasonable gun owners.

Glad their audience found the whole thing amusing. Um - turns out that people in your audience are likely going to agree with and clap/laugh when they are supposed to. Its still a propaganda video. Its not really that funny either.

No issue with video quality as in PQ or AQ. I meant the content itself was rather lame. Sorry, my opinion. I dont watch The Daily Show. Not my thing.

Who "knows what they're doing"? The Daily Show? According to whom? You? Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. But its just a heavy-left leaning entertainment program. I can post some pro gun videos from the Hannity show or whatever else. It proves nothing since its just their side of the story.

Yes I did watch it but go ahead and keep saying I didnt to make yourself happy.