Senate Gun Control

Awesome! I think 1500 is a small sample size, but good enough to get a general idea. But, in accordance with my anecdotal experiences, the study also shows a correlation of having children in the home and gun owners more likely to secure their weapons.

This would still indicate that the Crumbley’s acted horribly irresponsible because not only did they have a child in the home, but he clearly was mentally Ill and was asking them for help.

 

Wasn't her reaction to her son being caught looking up ammo prices mere days before he kicked of

"lol, I'm not mad at you, just don't get caught next time"





Totally normal country

 

Also anecdotal evidence means nothing. If I just thought things based on the people around me I would think everyone had at least one dose of the Covid vaccine and like 92% of people don’t own guns and 99% of people voted for Joe Biden

 

I don’t think anecdotal knowledge means nothing, one just shouldn’t base analytical and policy decisions off of anecdotes. I wasn’t putting forth my experiences for academic scrutiny, Fett, just so we’re on the same page.

 

There been plenty of accidential shootings with gun owning parents but none with parents who don't. End of story.

 

Note that the text sent by mom that said "Ethan, don't do it" was made after the news of the shootings was made public.

 

To me, that suggests that she knew he was the shooter and was imploring him not to take his own life.

From what I’ve read, the shooter requires parental permission before he can be interviewed and the parents have denied this permission. It looks like these parents are being wilfully obstructive. Their actions have been beyond irresponsible. I hope they’re apprehended and put before a judge ASAP.

 

I don’t think it’s always the parents fault but in this case it very much is. At least a good chunk of it.

 

Liberal kids were bullying me, trying to cancel me from school just because I drew pictures of me shooting them. So anyway, I started blasting.

Do you mean interviewed by law enforcement? They should deny permission, he'll only incriminate himself. They shouldn't let him say a word.

 

Regardless of their character, that is good practice and something every parent should do. Nevernevernevernevernever talk to the police if you don't have to and you're suspected of a crime, and always have a lawyer present if you have to talk to them.

 

Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here, but maybe after the parents were called into the school after their son was caught drawing pictures of shooting people, and the pictures included captions that basically said, "I'm going to shoot people!" maybe, MAYBE the parents should've mentioned that they bought their son a gun a few days before and they couldn't say for sure if it was locked up or not. Whoops!!!

 

It sounds like (and all the evidence isn’t in yet) that these are the type of people to not secure any of their guns, despite having a minor in the house. So to add with ignoring signs that their child was mentally ill, and ignoring his pleas for help, AND ignoring the school’s administration that also recommended/required that he get help, they had no way of knowing where the gun was at any particular point in time.

So… yea, as I said, these people are lucky they are only getting involuntary manslaughter charges. They basically acted, and this is based on very very early reports, as if they didn’t care whether he did it or not. It’s like they knowingly sent a ticking time bomb to school and decided to light a fire beside it.

 

Their own son kills people and they decide to bail on him. I don't see how this doesn't end in a shoot out.

 

They've reportedly been caught.

 

Edit: Double post.

 

Yes, I did mean interview by law enforcement.

I do appreciate the point that you’re both making. If I found myself accused of a crime, I’d always give a “no comment” interview. There’s pretty much nothing that a suspect can say under interview to help themselves and a lot that they can say to hurt themselves. Under ordinary circumstances, police interviews tend to be fishing expeditions.

My point was more about the mindset of the parents and their behaviour. I would like to think that most parents would be devastated if their child committed such an atrocity. This couple, however, seem to turn their gaze inward and think of themselves as opposed to the victims.

They have tried to evade or frustrate justice at every turn. They retained the presence of mind to refuse their son permission to be interviewed, they contacted lawyers, withdrew $4000 from an ATM and hid in a Detroit basement.

I don’t know the maximum jail time that their charges carry, but I hope they serve every minute possible behind bars. If it weren’t for their arrogance and wilful stupidity, four teenagers would still have their lives ahead of them.

 

Thats the problem with US and fire arms , theres plenty of rifles in Europe yet stuff like this almost never happen , its the US gun culture

 

have we successfully established that the Crumbleys are a flight risk? "The Crumbleys" is a made for tv/streaming movie that will teach a number of hard life lessons to a family audience.

 

Weird. Last night it showed a double post, and now the original post is gone. Well, here it is again:

Some more of the timeline here:
Shortly before 1 pm - the shooting rampage begins. Ethan surrenders five minutes afterwards.
At 1:22 pm, his mom texts "Ethan, don't do it".
At about 1:30 pm, his dad calls 911 to report "his" gun is missing.

They knew Ethan was arrested by the point they were calling and texting. Clearly, Ethan would not have had access to his phone if he was arrested. That and the 911 call were clearly the parents trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
Also: their lawyer angrily pushed back against the sheriff's office, claiming it was 'irresponsible' to say the parents were fugitives - that they had gone into hiding for their own protection, and we on their way at the time to turn themselves in.
Yep, that's exactly what happened.

 

seems like a massive over reaction. Unless the school has a history of violence involving weapons, for which case backpack transparency is the least worrying issue.

 

I love the conservative narrative
"I refuse to live my life in fear."
(to child) "LIVE YOUR LIFE IN FEAR, KID!"

 

@MagnarTheGreat And were given aide apparently by someone while on the run:



It truly gets worse as it unfolds. At the candlelight vigil, someone passed out and because of all the commotion it started a panic:



That is how much we live in fear thanks to MAGAers.

@anakinfansince1983 I agree but the school officials should never allowed him back in the building. He was without a doubt a credible threat and therefore a danger to the school. But since it's a white student in a MAGA area, they cowered to the parents. As educators we need to start pushing back on this insanity that is being thrown our way including something like that. He was a credible threat that had no business being at school but the school officials cowered after his insane parents made a stink about it. That needs to end immediately.