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Senate Has Cancel Culture Gone Too Far?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Punk , Jul 7, 2020.

  1. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 8

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    Your best reply for so many reasons.
     
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  2. CairnsTony

    CairnsTony Force Ghost star 4

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    Wow... Just five minutes of reading an opinion piece by Billy Bragg, and any confusion over this, for me, has gone. He clearly knows more about many of the signatories of that letter than me, and I'm all the wiser.

    Perhaps I should get more sleep and drink less guinness next time I try and wrap my head around something (I hadn't even heard of cancel culture before seeing this thread!); which is why I got hold of completely the wrong end of the stick- though I still think my points were valid, just not much to do with this thread. :p

    Perhaps I was wise in not being even remotely aware of many of the social media debates that cleary sparked this. Billy spared me that by summarising and contextualising. What a gem:

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...GR3v-oe1mTDgy8tjO6O-6EX-4rEtl4x6piQTDYrJp5Tgw
     
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  3. SW Saga Fan

    SW Saga Fan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Sorry for the late answer yorick. I get a lot more busier these days and I'm willing to spend less time on the internet.

    But to answer your question: I've found this word by being the translation from the french word "nombriliste", which means to be self-centered, egocentric.
     
  4. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Is the word navel-gazing what you were going for?
     
  5. poor yorick

    poor yorick Ex-Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    Aha! Wiktionary does indeed give “navel-gazing” as the translation for the related word “nombrillisme.” Nice catch, Lowbacca. I checked your profile yesterday in order to see if you were a native English speaker, SW Saga Fan. I wasn’t quite sure, since in Quebec it could go either way. I did suspect it was a translation issue, though. Now I can add “nombrillisme” to the other 6 French words I know. :D

    FWIW, “navel-gazing” in English does mean “self-absorbed,” but not really in a grandiose sense. It’s closer to a mindless or morbid self-absorption, like self-examination that provides no insights and is just wasting time. I think you might have wanted a word like “egocentric,” which means something like, “I’m so important, I think the world revolves around me.”
     
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  6. SW Saga Fan

    SW Saga Fan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yup! That might be this one!

    I'm not a native English speaker. French is my native language but I still had to study and learn English and use it a lot for my work as well as discussing with my GF.

    Most people can still use English in Montreal, but forget it for the rest of the province of Quebec... There can still be some weird debates regarding the use of English in Montreal, like when some native French speaking people complaining about the use of "Bonjour-Hi" by some employees in shops, when they have to serve both French and English speaking persons. And then the debate spirals out of control, and the government has to intervene and say: "No, we are in Quebec, not in the rest of Canada, and we only use French! You have to say "Bonjour" only, not "Hi"!"

    This was the most insignificant public debate I've ever witnessed in our societies...
     
  7. poor yorick

    poor yorick Ex-Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    Who knew there was a War On Bonjour?
     
  8. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    That would be a great opening line in a book.
     
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  9. CairnsTony

    CairnsTony Force Ghost star 4

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    I thought it was a war on high. Or hi... :p

    I'm on it! Title of my next book.

    The Great Greetings Wars: Volume 1.

    お早う!
     
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  10. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I was denied service once in a restaurant in Quebec when I spoke English. They told me to speak French.
    I said: but you don't speak French either.
     
  11. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The lunch cancel
     
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  12. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    Had a similar one in Brugge, got berated for ordering in French - and French was offered on the menu. I switched to English to explain that Dutch isn't taught in South France. She apologized in French... :p
     
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  13. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah but speaking French in Brugge is adding insult to injury, Ban.
     
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  14. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    Look, when I'm told explicitly on signs and menus that the person I'm going to address speaks French, I speak French first, not English [face_laugh]
     
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  15. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don’t get what the alternative is. If, for instance, people don’t want to purchase Rowling’s works anymore because she’s a TERF, shouldn’t they be free to do so? I mean, isn’t the logical alternative the notion that people should be forced to purchase products? Honestly I don’t get it.
     
  16. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    It’s all just a publicity stunt for her next novel - The Vagina Demagogues
     
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  17. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    'Vagina Demagogues." I'm sure there used to be a word for those. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?
     
  18. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Beware that, when fighting TERFs, you yourself do not become a TERF... for when you gaze long into the vagina. The vagina gazes also into you.

    Oh ****, now I’m quoting Fanny Nietzsche.

    Don’t worry, I’ll see myself out.
     
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  19. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The alternative to what? Nothing in the letter was about consumers, it was about the actions being taken by 'institutional leaders'.
     
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  20. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I see people keep making up what the letter was about and attacking their made up version of the letter, rather than the letter as it was written.
     
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  21. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    I was asked if I was from Paris when in Quebec. Wanted to say no, I just learned real French :p
     
  22. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    I suppose it's more fun that way? :p
     
  23. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    They think they're the ones who speak real French :p
     
  24. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    C'est vrai... :rolleyes:
     
  25. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 8

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    je veux rejoindre la classe de regard du vagin punks
     
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