TV Discussion Homosexuality in Star Wars Television

anakinfansince1983

Well you know what they say about subtlety...

 

Why? because she's hot? It's funny because most of the gay propaganda spread in the media usually portraits the LGBT community as beautyful people exclusively.

 

I understand the diversity speech and stuff but please, is much to ask for my life-beloved space-fantasy universe to stay free of real life controversies [spelling?] and political statements? Damn! I'm trying to be entertained for a while and let it go... otherwise I'd be watching the Representatives Chamber Channel instead.

 

Moving onto a new topic for this thread....

If there was a scenario in the show, where either Zeb or Sabine were homosexual or anyone else for that matter. How would you like it portrayed? Feel free to include dialogue and scenarios etc if you like.

 

Yeah, you basically got my points across. I just have a feeling that Zeb is more asexual then gay (Then again, it's not like we've seen much of either Sabine or Zeb so I could be completely wrong.) and I used Sabine as an example because she seems the most likely out of the main cast to be homosexual through the mere fact that we don't know her sexuality yet.

On TheSilentInfluence 's question: They should establish the fact that said character is gay during the first season, but I don't think they would get into a relationship with someone until the second season. Mostly because I feel it would be between a new member of the Rebels group and Sabine/Zeb and I don't think they will add anyone to the crew until season 2. I like the Ezra/Sabine comment you made earlier. Moments like that keep it natural and I hope that's how the show would handle it.

 

credar

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping too. In terms of a relationship, the second season sounds about right to me as well. There's no need to rush in terms of things like that and I would rather have well balanced and thought out relationships then rushed ones, gay or straight.

Thank You. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

What about a scenario were Sabine/or Zeb gets hit on by a guy/girl in respective cases and they get really tense and uncomfortable because they themselves like the same sex and these people are relentlessly hitting onthem. Then, Hera/or Kanan respectively get them out of said situation because they 'know' about their preferences?

 

anakinfansince1983

I guess I meant to say that it's not their sexuality that makes them feel uncomfortable, but rather someone of the opposite sex relentlessly hitting on them. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Well, we already know that Ezra has a crush on Sabine, yes? That would be the perfect place to show that she's gay. She rejects him by saying she's not into guys or something along those line. Then they become best buds and Sabezra never happens!

Edit: Zeb seems old enough to have a family. Maybe he was a husband who was captured by the Empire or something along those lines?

 

Ezra: Just one date, please?
Sabine: Leave me alone you little womp rat. I already told you I'm not interested.
Ezra: Why not?
Sabine: Because I don't play for that space disk team brat!

 

All for it.

Making non-hetero relationships seem less novel or trivial, especially though healthy non-stereotypical depictions in media, is quite important.

Obviously good writing is important, and I don't know enough about the team behind Rebels to make a call on whether they'd be up to it. If they're not, well it's not really my place to say whether a cackhanded attempt at writing a non-hetero romance (of any kind, not just homosexual) would be better or worse than leaving it out entirely. My head says the former but then I've not had to face any of the prejudices propagated both willfully and through the ineptitude of the media so I'm not at all equipped to make that call.

This kind of thinking is precisely why LGBTQIA characters should be included more.

Imagine your very existence being politicised to the extent that your mere inclusion in something is construed by most as at best a political statement, and at worst controversially rocking the boat.

"I'm just trying to be entertained for a while and let it go" - let what go precisely?

Insert any of the other factors from the winning generic lottery ticket of white/straight/male/cis/hetero/able bodied and it sort of becomes apparent how unacceptable that line of thinking is.

'Bit much controversy surrounding black people, would rather they not be on my TV shows'
'I get tired of hearing about disabled people in real life, I don't want any disabled people in my entertainment'
'Gosh, people in politics always yammer on about women, so I don't want women on television because it reminds me of how boring politics are'

Messed up.

 

sharkymcshark

We appreciate your insight but don't talk politics in regards to the homosexuality in this thread. We don't want it to be closed on us. Keep in on topic with Rebels and the characters etc. Please and thank you.

Although I do agree with what you said.

 

Sorry friend, I tend to get a little bit 'bull seeing a red flag' at times. Won't happen again.

 

I'm not mad or anything. I just don't want this thread to get closed down too soon or at all, or you to get in trouble. Like I said above, I agree with what you said above. So, no worries okay?☺

 

Star Wars has never been about overt sexuality, but the depiction of same-gender romance or attraction, in a matter-of-fact way, would certainly be welcome.

Using one's imagination to pretend certain characters are gay, in the place of genuine representation, becomes tiring after the first thirty years or so.

I always had a feeling about the duo who stole Ahsoka's lightsaber.

 

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Zeb is said to be 39 (human equivalent), so more than old enough to have started a family.

That said, the same source for Zeb's age (Visual Guide) also mentions that...

Spoiler

"The Empire devastated Zeb's home planet of Lasan and brutally wiped out nearly all of his people. Zeb's traumatic past motivates him to fight for freedom, and to end the Empire's tyranny once and for all."

Given this, I'm thinking that if Zeb ever did have a family of his own, the Empire either (best case) captured or, unfortunately, killed them all.

 

Similarly, my preference would be for no one to even think of homosexuality as taboo. Hiding it wouldn't even come to mind.

 

Crom's bones am I glad I missed the "bible = god's word isn't my belief, it just is" debate.

My top pick for LGBT Rebels character would definitely be Zeb.

The thing with Satine - not that I would object to it but explaining why she wouldn't be my top pick - is that it seems like she is ultra-aggressive and thus falls at least a bit into the stereotypical "tomboy" role (if you think of it in that context, not saying that's how I think of her generally), so making her a lesbian would feel like it was falling more neatly into homophobic expectations of a lesbian character which I've been reading in this thread has apparently been rampant on modern fictional television (which I watch very little of).

Zeb, on the other hand, would be just the opposite when thought of in that context. He is the ultra-masculine male, all testosterone and killing stuff. Also, since he's an alien that's fierce-looking as hell, it seems like he could be a direct rejection of homophobic stereotypes about males in both attitude and appearance. So I think he would be the perfect choice. Of course, I want as little romance on the show as possible, but meeting his husband in the series finale would kick all kinds of ass.

 

No romances at all, please.