TV Discussion Homosexuality in Star Wars Television

Did anybody see "The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance" on Netflix? One of the Gelflings, Deet had two fathers who slept in the same bed. It was really cool how it was done. No explanation, no "in your face", it just was, and it was great. That is how to incorporate it into fantasy, where nobody really notices it because of how normal it has become.

 

Huge fan of the original and really enjoyed the Netflix series - great example for the conversation at hand too.

It's just not a big deal to any reasonable, rational, balanced person.

 

Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be “unnoticeable.” Plenty of heterosexual romances (like Han and Leia, and Anakin and Padme) were not only noticeable - they were also quite central to the narrative. There’s zero reason why that can’t be the case with non-hetero relationships.

 

Hear, hear!

 

I only meant in terms of it being a big deal, rather than just a normal, organic part of the story tapestry. I didn't say unnoticeable as in "shove it to the back and hope nobody notices", I meant that it becomes so normal you don't actually notice it.

 

Got it! Yeah, that makes sense.

 

I suppose it's worth mentioning for anyone just dropping in that this thread was necro'ed over the past week (even its subject line feels kind of dated!) and that there's therefore kind of a weird gap of a few years during which this type of conversation has largely moved, and in a mostly positive direction, to the Diversity thread. That one's got occasional drive-by trolling but it's really one of the most thoughtful and rewarding places on the forum, in my opinion, and definitely has a lot more continuity in terms of the way these issues have unfolded in the franchise over recent years.

 

I just heard that Netflix cancelled Dark Crystal. After winning a bunch of awards for it. Netflix is insane.

 

I'm not good on all the inside baseball stuff, but is there any chance that it might go to Disney+? Or do Disney just own Muppet properties and not the Henson company as a whole?

It's a real shame, but I'm hopeful they'll find another way of bringing us the next part of the story (here's hoping it's not another 30 odd year wait this time around)

 

It should not matter as long as the story given to that character is good.

Which is true for any character, regardless of the sexual orientation.

 

Yep, one of the most beautifully made TV shows ever, and lovingly faithful to the source material. Cancelled. So sad.

 

Something like 30% of America still holds homophobic views. Hell something like 14% of America still thinks interracial marriage is bad.

 

It’s been amazing progress so far. If you had said we would have had legal marriage and over 60% of the country okay with gay marriage I would have called you crazy back in 2012. Progress is progress even if it’s slow. Some people will sadly never change their mind.

I am glad that Star Wars is now in the 21st century in that respect even if we could use much more representation

 

So....you only liked A New Hope? Because Han and Leia's relationship in TESB and ROTJ was VERY in your face. And Grogu(Baby Yoda) actually has a PURPOSE in the story, and so does Anakin and Padme's relationship. They all have impact on the story. Grogu is a tool to redeem Din Djarin, turning him from a scummy bounty hunter to a genuine hero, and Anakin's relationship with Padme, though corny and a bit forced served a purpose in showing how Anakin's attachment to her led to his fall to the Dark Side. As long as relationships and babies serve a purpose to the greater story, they are fine with me and even necessary to the narrative. Nice try, dumbass. Also, your grammar makes me wanna kill myself.

Even my right-wing, Christian, conservative parents are alright with LGBTQ. I swear, the only REAL homophobes are either nazis or brainwashed by nazis.

 

Nah plenty of Bible Belt people hate gay people. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. That’s a fact. My parents both are very much against homosexuality and for no reason other than the Bible tells them it’s a sin. Sure, there are Christians who are totally okay with it. But don’t get it twisted, a lot of em are at the very least undercover homophobes. It’s a shame, but it’s definitely a real thing.

 

This is honestly why I'm not really as much of a Christian as I used to be, I just couldn't stand the Christians using religion to justify their bigotry. Of course, not every Christian is homophobic. My parents, fortunately, are not. But the actions and opinions of many other Christians actually made me disgusted. Coming to terms with that hasn't been easy for me.

 

To me, the problems with Christianity come not from the Bible itself, but from people who follow it. I'm not a Christian in the traditional sense. I don't follow the Church, I follow the actual Bible. LIke you're, y'know, supposed to?

Those quotes from the Bible are very open to interpretation, and the words can be translated to many things. Plus, one moment from the Bible shows Jesus healing a Roman soldier's lover(though it is intentionally mistranslated to friend due to the Church's personal bias). I could be wrong, but it is very, VERY open to interpretation.

 

Depends on where you are. You go up north you’ll get churches that proudly state how they’ll accept you no matter what and openly display a pride flag. Haven’t been down south in years so I can’t really talk from experience.

the point being a majority of Americans are okay with it which is why your seeing more of it in Star Wars and movies in general. The only big thing left for the movie and TV industry that is holding it back is really China. Now I am sure there are plenty of accepting Chinese people living in China. The government not so much. China is the second biggest market for movies and TV. You have anything they deem unnatural and it won’t make it to air.

Like that really short TROS scene of the two women kissing was cut out of the film in China and a few other countries

 

Yup. The US has a long, long way to go on discrimination by race and sexual orientation. And so does Europe:

https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2018/being-black-eu

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/28/where-europe-stands-on-gay-marriage-and-civil-unions/?amp=1

 

Yeah. The primary geographic cultural divisions these days are mostly urban-rural, and not necessarily north-south.

 

I think for now we will have situations like Kallus and Zeb where it’s not clear if they are just good friends or something else. I look forward to the day when we can see a relationship as good as we had between Hera and Kanan between a man and a man or a women and a women etc. I am sure our major strides will first be made in books and comics and games