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Lit How can Imperials be fascists...

Discussion in 'Literature' started by NihilusLordOfHunger, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The NR is supposed to control the Galaxy-losing the capital would be a terrible blow but it shouldn't destroy the NR entirely.

    Though like I said they don't care about IU consistency or worldbuilding.

    They want to emulate the OT.
     
  2. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    IU, the New Republic is a much smaller body than the Republic. It's also only, like, twenty years old at its destruction, and significantly less tightly put together than something like the Empire or the Republic, with most of the actual NR fleet stationed above Hosnian Prime since the rest was demilitarized.
     
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  3. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Mostly demilitarized? After a peace of 25 years?

    With the fleet stationed literally in one place?

    And isn't the NR supposed to be Galaxy spanning?

    It literally makes no IU sense. Because they don't care about IU concerns.
     
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  4. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Yup. It happened around 1 ABE following the Battle of Jakku. Mon Mothma wanted to focus less on the military and more on rebuilding, as well as making a show of reducing the military to avoid another Empire. There's still some military present, just not a ton.

    Considering that one place is the location of the Senate, it makes sense.

    Nope.

    Because you're going off of false information and refuse to to independently look for correct information.
     
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  5. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Hey, Hux said it was the Last Day of the Republic.

    It's the last day.

    "The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy."

    I mean, really.
     
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  6. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    In-universe, I don't think it'll be that difficult to justify the First Order having defeated the New Republic. I'm predicting that the New Republic Senators which the First Order had compromised were off-planet when they eradicated Hosnian Prime. As such, combined with any Senator survivors sufficiently intimidated by the destructive power of Starkiller Base, it's entirely possible they completely surrendered the galaxy to their First Order masters.

    A Marshal Petain situation.
     
  7. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Doesn't Before the Awakening state the NR occupied large swaths of space stretching from the Core to the Outer Rim?
     
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  8. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The canon Galaxy seems like it is so much smaller than the legends(and even PT) Galaxy.

    It doesn't feel that big honestly.
     
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  9. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Yes, but compared to the Empire, it's much smaller.

    "While a fraction the size of both the Galactic Republic and Empire, its egalitarian practices left many neighboring star systems on friendly terms with the new government."

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Republic#cite_ref-SWP_23-3

    You done? Or do you have more gripes with the New Canon you want to bring up?
     
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  10. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I could write an epic poem rivaling the Iliand expressing all my gripes and frustrations.

    And a lot of my criticisms are not just me harping-other people share them. In fact after TLJ I think more people share them.
     
  11. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    People just have to admit that a lot of other people, now going slightly over 50% just aren't happy with the direction of Star Wars. TLJ has even made me appreciate LOTF and Denning.
     
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  12. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    Anger be now your song, Darth Invictus,
    Abrams' anger, doomed and ruinous,
    that caused the Litizens loss on bitter loss
    and crowded great characters into the Legends label
    leaving so many decanonized - carrion
    for Filoni and Johnson; and the will of Kennedy was done.


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  13. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    "Oh so great a sorrow that such a love was lost. My heart was filled with sorrow and my mind with dread that my beloved EU was dead.

    For on that spring day a beautiful thing died and my sorrow became forever unending and I grew sorrowful and bitter as my love was no more.

    Oh requiem for the old eu how beautiful was thee, your grand history, mystery and glee. Your tales and tribulations, your joys and defeats, the wonder you inspired in me.

    Oh how I loved thee and where has thee gone but into darkness and the void of memory."
     
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  14. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    For me, its not even so much that Legends is decanonized anymore. I've accepted it, and fanfiction may as well be a better continuation than what the nu management of Star Wars might have in mind. The issue is the New Canon fails to provide anything that's of consistent quality. It just has one-off gems like Bloodline and things that aren't 'too bad I guess' like Rogue One.
     
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  15. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The NuCanon is firmly established at this point and I don't begrudge any kid that grows up watching the ST.

    It's just not my Star Wars.
     
  16. UnshavenWookie14

    UnshavenWookie14 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Haha sounds like someone trying to talk a buddy through a bad trip.

    Get him back to his safety safe! Haha


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  17. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Master star 4

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    The New Republic isn’t the United States; it’s the United Nations. Nuking New York and then invading the world with a secret hidden army of moon Nazis lead by a Magical Neo-Nazi would lead to the UN breaking apart too.
     
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  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    There's a very good reason why the entire NRDF is deployed at Hosnian Prime, and that is because of a desire to NOT look like the Empire. If we must make Legends comparisons, then let's look at the Black Fleet Crisis: the Fifth Fleet was perceived by some worlds as an attempt by the NR to be like the Empire and impose its will on other worlds.

    The decisions made in the new canon NR, while different to what we're used to, make sense in both an EU and canon context. Remember that Legends also had Mon Mothma attempt to scrap the Lusankya because she didn't want to look too Imperial.
     
  19. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    A neat little retcon would be that Villechem had been persuaded the First Order was a threat and had gathered the New Republic fleet for an invasion of the First Order.
     
  20. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    All I hope for is that the New New Republic admits that the micro-military idea was stupid and builds up a proper force.
     
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  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Total disarment of the galaxy is the best solution with only Jedi to protect!
     
  22. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    But what about the next First Order? A couple saber jockies can't hold down a galaxy! The galaxy has to learn a lesson!
     
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